Do you think that God could have created the big bang?

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19 Sep 2008, 9:28 pm

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19 Sep 2008, 9:30 pm

Isn't this question trivial? If God creating the big bang is logically possible, then God, being omnipotent by definition, *could* have created it.


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19 Sep 2008, 9:31 pm

twoshots wrote:
Isn't this question trivial? If God creating the big bang is logically possible, then God, being omnipotent by definition, *could* have created it.


Of course.



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19 Sep 2008, 9:53 pm

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Isn't this question trivial? If God creating the big bang is logically possible, then God, being omnipotent by definition, *could* have created it.


:-) Sure I agree,

If God creating the big bang is *logically* possible, but I think *logically* is something that could be argued, because although it looks that way right now, we may yet find discover something beyond (before) the big bang where the big bang itself is just an effect of something else. If we found that the transition is smooth (no foul play on God's behalf) when you look at it from a larger scale, then God wouldn't have needed to do anything to create the big bang... so it may change into a question in the same category as "Could God/Flying Spaghetti Monster/(insert hypothetical all-powerful being here) have created the Earth/Life/Humans/USA/This Website/This Thread?" They are supposedly omnipotent, so the answer is yes, but the question can be made pointless and demystified as soon as we broaden our perspective, which may or may not happen. Actually, I don't know what I'm talking about, I'ts 4 am and I'm tired.

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And if God didn't create the Big Bang, who/what else could have?


What I wrote before was in reply to this mainly. I'm trying to argue that God is not a necessary explanation.



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19 Sep 2008, 10:54 pm

How do you think that God created the universe? Do you think that he had some really bad gas and couldn't hold it in much longer? Was the big bang the result of God farting?

If people were to discover that the big bang was the result of God farting, farts would instantly become holy. You'd have people in churches all across the world farting like crazy on Sunday. Everyday would be a giant fart-fest for Christians. Instead of saying grace you'd have people farting, instead of praying before bed you'd try to let out the fart possible. Farts would no longer be considered as being taboo, they'd become socially accepted. There would be oodles of farts for everyone.



I'm sorry, I can't stop weird thoughts/ideas from entering my mind. :P



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20 Sep 2008, 11:49 am

patrick6 wrote:
How do you think that God created the universe? Do you think that he had some really bad gas and couldn't hold it in much longer? Was the big bang the result of God farting?

If people were to discover that the big bang was the result of God farting, farts would instantly become holy. You'd have people in churches all across the world farting like crazy on Sunday. Everyday would be a giant fart-fest for Christians. Instead of saying grace you'd have people farting, instead of praying before bed you'd try to let out the fart possible. Farts would no longer be considered as being taboo, they'd become socially accepted. There would be oodles of farts for everyone.



I'm sorry, I can't stop weird thoughts/ideas from entering my mind. :P


You fart.



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23 Sep 2008, 6:17 am

Mmmmm who created god


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23 Sep 2008, 6:22 am

God is un-created. The Prime Mover is the one thing without a mover to precede it.

Alpha & Omega.

If you think about this too long, it will melt your brain.



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23 Sep 2008, 7:49 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Mmmmm who created god

God is a non contingent thing.

Really, this supposed "problem" is not only well addressed, but merely mentioning it is tantamount to kicking a dead horse.


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27 Dec 2009, 2:29 pm

slowmutant wrote:
God is un-created. The Prime Mover is the one thing without a mover to precede it.

Alpha & Omega.

If you think about this too long, it will melt your brain.

That's a paradox. Why does the Big Bang need to be explained by a god when that god itself does not need an explanation? In other words; Why does the universe need a creator when god does not?



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27 Dec 2009, 10:01 pm

I will now quote Genesis: 1: 1-3

"1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3:And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

God did not create the "big bang", he spoke the world into existence, read the Bible.


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28 Dec 2009, 12:20 am

And the lord asked Moses to come forth. but he slipped on a banana skin, came fifth and lost the race :P



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28 Dec 2009, 2:16 am

LiberalJustice wrote:
I will now quote Genesis: 1: 1-3

"1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3:And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

God did not create the "big bang", he spoke the world into existence, read the Bible.
To me this seems as if God was asking someone to do it. Like when you're checking if you've fixed a lightbulb, you say: "Turn on the light". Although that may not have been the best example, the principle stays the same.



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28 Dec 2009, 4:06 am

On the zeroth day god created voice, so that the rest of all that juju was possible. No? Is my dogma wrong?


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28 Dec 2009, 1:00 pm

What a very literal interpretation, LiberalJustice. Unsurprising, I suppose, here on WP, but disappointing, as it reveals the fact that you have not considered the idea sufficiently to realize that the very lines you quote were not originally written in English, and the original Hebrew might well have used a word that meant something more along the lines of "willed" than "spoke out loud".

If regarded as a series of allegories, Genesis ch 1 actually dovetails quite well with modern understanding of cosmology. (Ch 2 doesn't, but then ch 2 contradicts ch 1 in at least three places, so...)


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30 Dec 2009, 2:09 pm

As far as I know there is no way to know what created the Big Bang. I think it's quite possible that an intelligent being from another universe created our universe. But such a being wouldn't be able to have any effect in our universe, and so it is irrelevant. Calling it God implies it can have effects on our universe, which I see no evidence of. Also an intelligent being would have to belong to another universe, which would in turn have to start from something.

Something could have created the big bang, but it's no less reasonable to say it just started from nothing.