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20 Mar 2009, 5:07 pm

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How do you live with NoScript active? I used it for a time in my Vista Firefox, and it was the most obnoxious piece of software I've ever installed. Basically just disabled the Internet in the name of "security." Pssh. I'll just use Linux and have no worries.


I use use Linux too and for the only alternative solution to noscript is lynx.

Let explain why:

1) Javascript is executable tool - which is well known for exploring your data, it runs under your account. There are different form of attacking security, one is javascript Hijacking:

http://www.fortify.com/landing/download ... acking.pdf

2) Other plugins: There also frequently messages about security mit e.g. Marcomedia player or the acrobad reader plugin

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Browsing on a webpage without such a tool as NoScript open a lot of doors. Some Linux (und Mac) users think wrongly that using Linux or Mac does automatically protect them from all malware. This is simply wrong: I increases the security, but does not provide a save environment.



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20 Mar 2009, 6:30 pm

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I actually use SeaMonkey, with:

I've been meaning to ask you: don't you find dealing with Seamonkey inconvenient? As far as I can tell, there's no decent update process other than "download the new version, uninstall the old one, and re-install the new one." It's a hassle. Getting 1.1.14 was a nuisance, and after I finally got around to doing it they updated to 1.1.15 and nag me about having an outdated version every time I start it.


I do not see here the big difference between firefox and seamonkey: In both cases you need to download a tar-ball (firefox: bz.tar; seamonkey: gz.tar), unzip both tarballs. The only real difference is, that seamonkey has an installer tool, which need display access from the shell and with firefox you need to copy the file manually to the installation directory.

I went through this a few days ago.



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20 Mar 2009, 6:42 pm

My favorite extensions and add-ons are:
Ad-Block Plus
Fore-cast Fox a weather program in the status bar.
Grease Monkey
Fox-Marks as I have three computers
All in one Side Bar Tool bar
Google tool-bar
Yahoo tool-bar
Ebay tool-bar
Wikipedia tool-bar
Only one tool bar is active at a time so I don't clutter up my screen...
Cool Iris and Cool previews.

I had Skype extension running but whenever Skype or FireFox was updated the
two apps would become mutually incompatible and one or both would crash...


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20 Mar 2009, 7:41 pm

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I do not see here the big difference between firefox and seamonkey: In both cases you need to download a tar-ball (firefox: bz.tar; seamonkey: gz.tar), unzip both tarballs. The only real difference is, that seamonkey has an installer tool, which need display access from the shell and with firefox you need to copy the file manually to the installation directory.

I went through this a few days ago.

Firefox comes in binaries, and is pre-loaded in almost every distro and kept up to date by the distro maintainers. Firefox also updates itself. Seamonkey is miserably out of date in the Ubuntu repos.


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20 Mar 2009, 8:03 pm

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Firefox comes in binaries, and is pre-loaded in almost every distro and kept up to date by the distro maintainers. Firefox also updates itself. Seamonkey is miserably out of date in the Ubuntu repos.


But those binaries are often weeks, sometimes months, old till they get their way into the distros. Therefore I do not install browser via the distribution, but manually. I like to keep my system up-to-date and working with old software.

BTW: The same is to say for a lot of other tools.



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20 Mar 2009, 8:27 pm

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But those binaries are often weeks, sometimes months, old till they get their way into the distros. Therefore I do not install browser via the distribution, but manually. I like to keep my system up-to-date and working with old software.

BTW: The same is to say for a lot of other tools.

Right, if you are installing everything manually anyways it doesn't make a difference. But if you are lazy like me and just want to use the binaries, FF is a lot easier to keep up to date. Look at Lau: 3 versions behind on his favorite browser. That simply doesn't happen to FF users. The FF that Canonical spoon-feeds me may not be bleeding edge code, but it stays pretty close up to date.

Yeah, same with other tools. I spent a long time on OOo2.4 before finally going and fetching OOo3 for myself. This machine still has OOo2.4, actually, but what do you expect with Debian-stable?

Oh, and richie: I never realized there was a Wikipedia toolbar. You are my new favorite person this week for posting that.


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21 Mar 2009, 12:48 am

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What's a crash?

$ uptime
14:15:56 up 16 days, 13:09,...


$ uptime
01:44 up 28 days, 1:39, ...

But some of us don't block flash :) and we suffer flash killing our browser. Hopefully firefox can implement the browse/tab/plugin barriers that chrome is trying to do, so flash only kills the tab in question



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21 Mar 2009, 1:14 am

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But some of us don't block flash :) and we suffer flash killing our browser. Hopefully firefox can implement the browse/tab/plugin barriers that chrome is trying to do, so flash only kills the tab in question

Has anyone tried out Gnash? It doesn't actually work, but a neat little idea. I'm guessing Stallman doesn't watch Youtube.


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21 Mar 2009, 3:30 am

Orwell wrote:
wolphin wrote:
But some of us don't block flash :) and we suffer flash killing our browser. Hopefully firefox can implement the browse/tab/plugin barriers that chrome is trying to do, so flash only kills the tab in question

Has anyone tried out Gnash? It doesn't actually work, but a neat little idea. I'm guessing Stallman doesn't watch Youtube.


I considered trying it on a few installs. never bothered..


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26 Mar 2009, 10:58 pm

Let's see....

Adblock Plus (well that's a given)
Foxmarks
Firebug
IsAdmin (I use DropMyRights to kill Firefox's Admin user rights)
iMacros (sometimes fun to play with)
Skype Add-on that Skype installs by default (I've disabled it, it's annoying).

I had NoScript for a while but I found it quite obnoxious.



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26 Mar 2009, 11:09 pm

I've been playing with Chrome 2.0 beta for more than a week now - still haven't crashed. (IE8 crashed in about 42 minutes) :wall:

I'm learning to live without quite a few of those FF extensions and the only ones I miss now are Shareaholic and Copy as Plain Text.

I believe that Chrome 2.0 is available for Linux now. Has anyone given it a go or are you waiting for it to be "released". Google software tends to stay in Beta indefinitely.



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26 Mar 2009, 11:21 pm

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I believe that Chrome 2.0 is available for Linux now. Has anyone given it a go or are you waiting for it to be "released". Google software tends to stay in Beta indefinitely.

It does not seem to be available yet on the Google Chrome site, but I didn't spend inordinate amounts of time searching for it. I tried Chrome in Windows and didn't much like it. I prefer browsers with features.


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26 Mar 2009, 11:31 pm

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26 Mar 2009, 11:32 pm

Yeah sorry,

This page, http://www.labnol.org/software/download-google-chrome-for-mac-linux/4555/ looks like someone else made the mac and linux ports. It is OpenSource, so it's feasible.



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27 Mar 2009, 2:34 am

I got rid of the microsoft net intrusion with a registry edit.


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28 Mar 2009, 12:32 pm

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Yeah sorry,

This page, http://www.labnol.org/software/download-google-chrome-for-mac-linux/4555/ looks like someone else made the mac and linux ports. It is OpenSource, so it's feasible.

The Linux one was pretty buggy. Anyways, I'm not a huge fan of Chrome to begin with, so it's gone now. FF, Seamonkey, and Opera are enough for now.


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