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29 Sep 2009, 5:41 pm

Except that UAC will prompt you for every dangerous action instead of just once to elevate the process to admin. Worse still, the UAC dialog provides absolutely nothing useful about the reason the prompt is raised, there's just no way to make informed decision. What's the point of multiple prompts then if all that the user can say is "OK, I've no idea what the program is doing and you're not telling me. I just want the damn program to run so I've no choice but to trust it."

And what program are you talking about that will hang for 10 mins without giving you any error? All programs I run in standard user account that need admin privilege will either give a specific error message or a generic access violation message.



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29 Sep 2009, 7:24 pm

This will cure it all.

www.ubuntu.com

However via msconfig you can turn off UAC. However you will also need a fairly good firewall considering the whole reason UAC was built in was for security purposes. Ghostall and the free Zonealarm is fairly good.



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29 Sep 2009, 8:23 pm

Hey gamefreak. Welcome back. I havent seen you around in a bit.

So you never went through a windows rebound effect? Some people do.


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29 Sep 2009, 10:06 pm

CloudWalker wrote:
Except that UAC will prompt you for every dangerous action instead of just once to elevate the process to admin. Worse still, the UAC dialog provides absolutely nothing useful about the reason the prompt is raised, there's just no way to make informed decision. What's the point of multiple prompts then if all that the user can say is "OK, I've no idea what the program is doing and you're not telling me. I just want the damn program to run so I've no choice but to trust it."


What program causes UAC to ask you multiple times? I've never encountered such a program.
All my software asks me once and that's it.



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29 Sep 2009, 10:20 pm

MrVulcan wrote:
CloudWalker wrote:
Except that UAC will prompt you for every dangerous action instead of just once to elevate the process to admin. Worse still, the UAC dialog provides absolutely nothing useful about the reason the prompt is raised, there's just no way to make informed decision. What's the point of multiple prompts then if all that the user can say is "OK, I've no idea what the program is doing and you're not telling me. I just want the damn program to run so I've no choice but to trust it."


What program causes UAC to ask you multiple times? I've never encountered such a program.
All my software asks me once and that's it.


In the case of my brothers computer, SixEngine, which is fan/cpu control software for his asus motherboard.

Even installing it as admin doesnt make it run without UAC complaining.


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30 Sep 2009, 7:12 am

Fuzzy wrote:
In the case of my brothers computer, SixEngine, which is fan/cpu control software for his asus motherboard.

Even installing it as admin doesnt make it run without UAC complaining.


What about running it as Admin? (Right-click -> Properties, Compatibility tab, check "Run this program as Administrator")



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30 Sep 2009, 8:03 am

MrVulcan wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
In the case of my brothers computer, SixEngine, which is fan/cpu control software for his asus motherboard.

Even installing it as admin doesnt make it run without UAC complaining.


What about running it as Admin? (Right-click -> Properties, Compatibility tab, check "Run this program as Administrator")


You must have overlooked...

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Even installing it as admin doesnt make it run without UAC complaining.


It is meant to run at operating system boot time. It latches into some aspect of the bios to throttle the CPUs, fans, memory, hard drive and PSU. It is a bit funny because its labeled as designed for vista. There must be some way to run it correctly, but it escapes me after almost a year.

I dont have to mess with it anymore(I assembled the computer), but it annoys him every time he starts his computer. He nick named the computer 'noisy' as without the software running, all the fans run full blast. I was able to choke some of them back with hardware speed dials.


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03 Oct 2009, 12:02 pm

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But windows never tells you when a programme needs to be run as admin until you've sat there wonder 'what are you doing?!?!' for ten minutes.

It would be nice if a little dialogue would pop up and tell you 'This programme must be run as administrator' before you waste time trying to run it as a normal user.

Oh wait, that's UAC. Go M$! !!

You're just mad that your open source OS doesn't have as much open source software as Microsoft's proprietary operating systems.



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03 Oct 2009, 1:55 pm

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kip wrote:
But windows never tells you when a programme needs to be run as admin until you've sat there wonder 'what are you doing?!?!' for ten minutes.

It would be nice if a little dialogue would pop up and tell you 'This programme must be run as administrator' before you waste time trying to run it as a normal user.

Oh wait, that's UAC. Go M$! !!

You're just mad that your open source OS doesn't have as much open source software as Microsoft's proprietary operating systems.


No... not really, no. GTK+ runtime environment = everything I want from linux on windows. Linux install = tons of stuff I'm not even sure existed. There's really too many options for linux, I shouldn't have to install 15 different tetris games to find one I like, but it's nice to see variety.

Maybe you should actually TRY linux before going about bashing it.


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03 Oct 2009, 3:09 pm

kip wrote:
No... not really, no. GTK+ runtime environment = everything I want from linux on windows. Linux install = tons of stuff I'm not even sure existed. There's really too many options for linux, I shouldn't have to install 15 different tetris games to find one I like, but it's nice to see variety.

Maybe you should actually TRY linux before going about bashing it.


I've used Linux and it just doesn't have software that is as good as Windows'.



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03 Oct 2009, 10:29 pm

trgd_15 wrote:
kip wrote:
But windows never tells you when a programme needs to be run as admin until you've sat there wonder 'what are you doing?!?!' for ten minutes.

It would be nice if a little dialogue would pop up and tell you 'This programme must be run as administrator' before you waste time trying to run it as a normal user.

Oh wait, that's UAC. Go M$! !!

You're just mad that your open source OS doesn't have as much open source software as Microsoft's proprietary operating systems.


If you mean software that is open source, but cannot be ported to linux, then by definition it is not open source, as it depends on stuff that isnt. But for the most part, it is linux that promulgates the environment that allows you to have open source. Things that are truly open source, if they are any good, will be found in linux.


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04 Oct 2009, 12:18 pm

It's too bad most of the Open Source stuff I've seen sucks so much. Especially in the documentation department... I guess you get what you pay for. ;)



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05 Oct 2009, 9:13 pm

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Hey gamefreak. Welcome back. I havent seen you around in a bit.

So you never went through a windows rebound effect? Some people do.




Well Fuzzy all I have to say is way go back to inferior software made by corporations that are not in-tune with consumers. Linux and community software is developed by average people and not corporations. Making it more keen and in-touch with users.



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06 Oct 2009, 12:54 am

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Fuzzy wrote:
Hey gamefreak. Welcome back. I havent seen you around in a bit.

So you never went through a windows rebound effect? Some people do.




Well Fuzzy all I have to say is way go back to inferior software made by corporations that are not in-tune with consumers. Linux and community software is developed by average people and not corporations. Making it more keen and in-touch with users.


I quite agree, and I am cynical about microsofts new 'open source' operating system. I wont be going back.


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