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14 Apr 2010, 11:32 am

Trying to figure this out. No doing very well.

If you "fell" out of a spacecraft ,on the edge of the earth's atmosphere , would you inevitably burn up on reentry ? Leaving breathing issues etc aside.

If you had a parachute+squirrel suit, would it slow you down enough at high altitude? Would this be enough prevent you getting fried on the way down.

What sort of speed would you be traveling at? Is there a terminal velocity : air friction, thing here?

So basic question is: could you fall into the earth's atmosphere and survive without the protection of a space craft or very special clothing ( say carbon nanofibre) if you didn't need to breathe and could resist various forces etc when they come into play.

What temperatures are we talking here?



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14 Apr 2010, 12:12 pm

memesplice wrote:
Trying to figure this out. No doing very well.

If you "fell" out of a spacecraft ,on the edge of the earth's atmosphere , would you inevitably burn up on reentry ? Leaving breathing issues etc aside.

If you had a parachute+squirrel suit, would it slow you down enough at high altitude? Would this be enough prevent you getting fried on the way down.

What sort of speed would you be traveling at? Is there a terminal velocity : air friction, thing here?

So basic question is: could you fall into the earth's atmosphere and survive without the protection of a space craft or very special clothing ( say carbon nanofibre) if you didn't need to breathe and could resist various forces etc when they come into play.

What temperatures are we talking here?


As rare as the atomosphere is at (say) three hundred miles above sea level there are still enough molecules that if you collided with them going at 17,000 mph which is necessary for a 300 mile orbit, you would slow down and eventually burn up. Temps can get as high as 3000 Celsius with metal hulls or tiles.

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14 Apr 2010, 1:42 pm

Was this brought to mind by Felix Baumgartner's upcoming attempt to break the sound barrier while sky-diving?



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14 Apr 2010, 1:53 pm

What if you "fell out" of geostationary orbit, ie from "standing start" more or less straight down? Would you accelerate up to 17000mph or is there a terminal velocity below this speed? Is there such a thing as a standing start in space?



Carbon nanofibre can resist temperatures up to 4000C . I wonder how thick a layer would have to be to prevent damage serious
person inside a Nanosuit exposed at peak velocity to 3000C. There's got to be a build up curve and the seriously high temperatures .

How long would you actually be exposed to the high temperatures for, before there would be enough density of air to to keep a parachute open and slow you down?



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14 Apr 2010, 1:54 pm

This should help sum up what you want to know.

http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fal ... near-space


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14 Apr 2010, 2:03 pm

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Was this brought to mind by Felix Baumgartner's upcoming attempt to break the sound barrier while sky-diving?


No. But that sounds extremely interesting.

I'm having a serious go at writing a quirky SF. I want to know if a battledroid could survive falling out of a spacecraft without loosing the organic/ tissue layer it has spent ages trying to grow over a Carbon Nanofibre base or if she would have to wear some kind of jumpsuit. :)

(I know. But I've done all my real work and I'm playing.) :)



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14 Apr 2010, 2:05 pm

Fuzzy- wow!! !! !! That must be amazing.

102,800 ft and I thought I had a long pair of ladders.

Near speed of sound. Quite a record to break.



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14 Apr 2010, 2:10 pm

carbon fiber is thermaly and electrically conductive so it would pass heat. you need an insulator.
maybe this can help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aerogel_matches.jpg



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14 Apr 2010, 2:20 pm

memesplice wrote:
What if you "fell out" of geostationary orbit, ie from "standing start" more or less straight down? Would you accelerate up to 17000mph or is there a terminal velocity below this speed? Is there such a thing as a standing start in space?



Carbon nanofibre can resist temperatures up to 4000C . I wonder how thick a layer would have to be to prevent damage serious
person inside a Nanosuit exposed at peak velocity to 3000C. There's got to be a build up curve and the seriously high temperatures .

How long would you actually be exposed to the high temperatures for, before there would be enough density of air to to keep a parachute open and slow you down?


I suspect that this parachute dive will involve drogue chutes that will prevent the jumper from going too fast.

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14 Apr 2010, 2:27 pm

Areogel - hmmm.

Also- would it be possible to make prosthetics out of nanofibre tube that worked like muscle if specialized motor/ nuerones equivalent , if electrically conductive.

Could artificial skin be grown over something like this?



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14 Apr 2010, 2:29 pm

Drogue chutes have got to be those you see in the famous footage of the Apollo capsules falling back to earth. Will check what height they opened at.



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14 Apr 2010, 2:35 pm

Drogues opened a 24,000 ft , after heat shield jettisoned. However will check what height they can function from because that might have been something to do with design of Command Module.



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14 Apr 2010, 3:14 pm

Maybe if you fell from directly above the North or South pole? That might work?

(your ship would have to be deliberately holding position there, rather than orbiting, I think)


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14 Apr 2010, 3:15 pm

memesplice wrote:
Areogel - hmmm.

Also- would it be possible to make prosthetics out of nanofibre tube that worked like muscle if specialized motor/ nuerones equivalent , if electrically conductive.

Could artificial skin be grown over something like this?


yes, there was a recent paper in science magazine about artificial muscles from carbon nanotube .
one can attach dna or proteins on nanotubes so probably one can grow skin however i am not very keen on nano-bio applications of nanotubes, they are not very biodegradable and are hard to control.



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14 Apr 2010, 3:19 pm

North/South Pole? Long trek back home.

My character's going back to 2015, from some point in the future. She's decided that was her last combat mission and is going to work in a community center/school with disadvantaged, disabled children on a very poor housing estate. ( Like I said quirky)

I put her down in the English Channel.



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14 Apr 2010, 3:26 pm

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yes, there was a recent paper in science magazine about artificial muscles from carbon nanotube .
one can attach dna or proteins on nanotubes so probably one can grow skin however i am not very keen on nano-bio applications of nanotubes, they are not very biodegradable and are hard to control
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Seem to be highly impact , ballistics resistant to say the least though!

Probably could make tiny motors that tightened fibres or expanded them , etc so a bulk area of nanofibre could be controlledlby a neural net and limb moved. Wonder if whole thing could act like a natural limb? could you even , now this is a wild idea, use "points" in the nanofibrre to process data so it could store information respond automatically to stimuli.