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05 Sep 2010, 9:33 pm

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I use GIMP in X11 on OS X and it works perfectly fine. That being said, I've found that most programs written for X11 (rather than for KDE, GNOME, or Aqua) are really crappy. XEdit, XPDF, XCalc, XTerm... Awful stuff (and no, this was in Linux, not OS X). They're not intuitive, a lot of stuff doesn't work, and the interface looks like it was made in the 80s.

There's some stuff missing, mostly a sense of integration into the rest of the Mac desktop.

You are right about the generic X stuff, though, it's crap. I use XPPAUT, a program written directly in Xlib... horrible interface. And then you get a lot of stuff written in Tk, which is similarly junk.

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05 Sep 2010, 10:20 pm

XP forever! I'm running XP right now, and I still love it. If I ever have to upgrade to 7 (and I'm not switching to OSX or Linux because I want to run my games properly), I told my parents I want the middle version, as opposed to the cheapo version, because it has a mode that'll basically run like XP, look and act like XP, while still running the 7 software. Ain't that just grand?

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06 Sep 2010, 12:10 am

BroncosRtheBest wrote:

XP came out in October of 2001 and is based on the NT5 kernel, first launched in 1999. It's ANCIENT. :lol:

That said, I myself really miss Windows 2000, aka Windows NT 5.0. It's even older, but there's something nice and clean about it - I can't fully explain it.

XP Mode (licensing for which is included in Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate) isn't what you think it is, by the way. It won't run like XP, look like XP or act like XP, or run your games properly. But I won't muddy up this thread, if you want to know, start a new one or PM me.

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06 Sep 2010, 7:16 am

Mac OS X Snow Leopard

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06 Sep 2010, 7:58 am

BroncosRtheBest wrote:

XP forever! I'm running XP right now, and I still love it.

I did not like it at first, but yes, it is pretty much a "forever". One of my daughters has some high-dollar software I doubt will run in Win7.

jec6613 wrote:

XP came out in October of 2001 and is based on the NT5 kernel, first launched in 1999. It's ANCIENT. :lol:

That said, I myself really miss Windows 2000, aka Windows NT 5.0. It's even older, but there's something nice and clean about it - I can't fully explain it.

You bet, and 2k is the root system here in my multi-boot setup. No matter what kind of problem I have anywhere else, I can always get back into my 2k and get the other systems straightened out.

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XP Mode (licensing for which is included in [Windows 7] Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate) isn't what [some people] think it is, by the way. It won't run like XP, look like XP or act like XP, or run your games properly ...

... and where you asked CloudWalker something about why I do not use some kind of virtual environment for my 98 and 2k stuff, that same kind of deal is the reason.

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06 Sep 2010, 11:22 am

jec6613 wrote:

BroncosRtheBest wrote:

XP came out in October of 2001 and is based on the NT5 kernel, first launched in 1999. It's ANCIENT. :lol:

Thanks much for crushing my dreams. :lol:

Guess I'd better take some Linux lessons after the monthlong period of mourning that my friend and I are setting up for the greatest OS ever.

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06 Sep 2010, 6:55 pm

JoeSchmukapop wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Irony because Windows 7 is both unnecessarily complex and overly expensive, of course. I shouldn't have to wander all over the Internet just to get the programs I need for basic functionality. It should all be available in a centrally managed, security-audited repository from my operating system distributor where it can easily be managed.

There would be class action lawsuits if microsoft did that.

They sort of tried that. You can get drivers from a central repository, but MS was always slow on the updates.

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07 Sep 2010, 9:27 pm

Rumor has it that one of the major feature of Windows 8 is market place.

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07 Sep 2010, 10:50 pm

leejosepho wrote:

jec6613 wrote:

... and where you asked CloudWalker something about why I do not use some kind of virtual environment for my 98 and 2k stuff, that same kind of deal is the reason.

Anything designed for Windows 98 and 2000 is also old enough that current CPUs can run the graphics fully in software - even my copy of AutoCAD 2000 running on Windows XP mode in Windows 7 runs fine with 3D. Games are the real tricky issue though, because those are significantly more recent and not all of them have been updated, and they tend to use much more advanced DirectX functions and OpenGL functions. That said, there's a patch for nearly every game to run on Windows 7. For everything else, virtualization works fine, even with really expensive software. Also, there's always Windows XP x64 Edition

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The security problem today is the user, not the OS. I have seen more Macs infected with malware and more rooted Linux boxes used by unsuspecting users who didn't follow basic password security than I care to think about, (hundreds), and their users didn't even know their machines had been rooted.

Duh, silly. You don't want the user to know they have a rootkit

In Windows, you almost always know. The entire OS tends to crumble around it.

And yes, the version beyond Windows 7 will include a marketplace - it's not just a rumor.

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07 Sep 2010, 11:08 pm

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Games are the real tricky issue though ...

I only keep them around mostly for my grandchildren, but some of the ones I have are really old and do not always do well even in Win98. "Marbe Drop" and "The Incredible Machine" are some great mind exercisers:

http://www.squakenet.com/computer_games ... nload.html

The info at that link -- watch out for the sign-up "gotcha" at the download site -- seems to indicate "Marble Drop" will run in XP, but my copy will not.

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07 Sep 2010, 11:57 pm

I always liked the incredible machine.

Lee, have you tried world of goo? You might like it based on your comments about Marble Drop and Incredible Machine.

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08 Sep 2010, 12:09 am

I saw it available in an app manager. I will check it out.

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08 Sep 2010, 12:29 am

leejosepho wrote:

jec6613 wrote:

Games are the real tricky issue though ...

Those should run fine in a VM, actually probably better than on the iron. I was refering to 3D FPS type games really with the issue of not working properly in a VM. I used to keep around an old Windows 95/98SE machine, but cut it out about a year ago in favor of virtualization and haven't looked back - for one thing, I don't have to keep spare parts around for a machine that's over 10 years old.

I remember Marble Drop... I got it to run on NT 4.0, but I can't remember for the life of me how.

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08 Sep 2010, 1:18 am

jec6613 wrote:

... don't have to keep spare parts around ...

I think tossing them out would seem much worse for me!

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08 Sep 2010, 3:07 am

leejosepho wrote:

jec6613 wrote:

... don't have to keep spare parts around ...

I think tossing them out would seem much worse for me!

But think of how quiet your computer would run!

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09 Sep 2010, 9:13 pm

Today, my favorite is Windows 2000 and IE6. Truly, I have never before run this fast here on WP!

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