I HATE WINDOWS 7!! !! !! !

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i was under the impression that anything applemac was headache-free but expensive, and that anything PC/MS was fraught with headaches but a lot cheaper. if i had some $$$$ i never would've messed with microsoft stuff in the first place.

yeah windows ain't perfect, the one thing i like the most about macs are how clean and organized they look, if you watch a youtube video of someone browsing through their mac compy it is all very clean and orderly.

i struggle to get half of that on my windows compy, because nothing else on a computer agitates me more then having icons on my wallpaper, and i never can seem to remedy that. the only thing i have figured out is to put all shortcuts in folders, but i'm now getting flooded with folders.

it never ends. i would kill to have the organization features mac comes with stock, us windows users have to buy programs to change anything.

when it comes to organizing macs were born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

just so everyone knows i was never including off shot products that apple makes i was taking about the os only. windows outsells mac by a mile. but if we are going to include every product they make, then microsoft gets paid for every program and game that runs on the windows os. i'm not even sure how much stuff that would be, not to mention everytime something else uses their logo in any shape or form they get a cut of it. heck even mac's commercials are paying mircosoft, simply because they mention windows and various programs.

so bottom line mircosoft is still more successful, why do you think apple rehashes the iwhatever things they make as often as they do, it's to keep the public's interest. honestly there have been multiple iphones 100s of ipods, and now the ipad gets rehashed. meanwhile win 7 has been out nearly the whole time the iphone was made and rehashed, the xbox only got one redo but only to keep up with it's rivals sony and nintendo. ther xbox really only had one rehash that was important, you can still run new xbox 360 games on an older console. like the slim ps3 was mostly for looks, ain't much different then the bigger one i had.

psp actually got additions, tv out switch.

it really doesn't take a genius to figure out which company is doing better, just look in an electronics store answers the question.

Unix machines in general are VERY valuable to hackers because they are so powerful, even with a basic install. All of the power is available from the command line, so once they're rooted everything else is cake. Windows just happens to be very easy in comparison to hack. Believe me though, every hacker dreams of pawning unix systems, and its what they brag about when they do.

I will say that most of the stories of linux being hard to get viruses are exagerrated. The very first step in having a secure linux desktop is to have your home directory on a seperate partition, and set to not execute any executables. This will probably break a couple poorly written programs, I haven't tried it myself. Otherwise though, any vulnerability in a web browser or any other internet connected program could easily install a virus on your computer.

It's not the machine's system that's valuable, it's the information stored on it. A Windows box can be just as effective as a Unix/Unix-like box depending on what you're using it for and what tools you're using to accomplish said task. Also, if you're absolutely concerned about security, I'd recommend getting behind a router, close unnecessary open ports on the router, turn off any unnecessary system services (super important), encrypt your file system, and do a light security audit/research the software you're planning to use!

As for organization... that command line is all you'll ever need

It's the command line tools available on a standard unix system that make them so valuable. The vast majority of window systems out there are home editions that just do not have anywhere near the capabilities that unix has from the command line. You can install lots of software for windows, but it's not included by default. Believe me, unix systems are far more valuable than windows systems to a hacker. I remember when a business magazine(I think forbes) published a string of standard unix commands that could be used to decrypt a dvd. It was less than a 100 characters long and could just be typed in a command line, using standard tools available. Good luck doing that on Windows, even a 'superduty enterprise' edition.

Be careful as to the value you're assigning a certain type of system! Most bsd/linux systems I deploy (openbsd is IMO the most security-ready OS with built-in crytpo) generally start off with less functionality than a fresh windows home installation (these are ~80mb minimal net install images). Generally if a system is configured as a server and is live on a network, regardless of the operating system, you've got everything you need! Not trying to argue, just offering another perspective. (I write server software for an information security company.) But don't get me wrong, I abhor working on Microsoft products.

EDIT: theaspiemusician, if you use your computer for making music and are interested in trying out Linux for your audio production, I have a bit of experience with that so feel free to pm me!

I haven't messed with bsd at all, so you've got me there. I do want to one day, when I have more the one computer, from what I understand the console is a lot better than on linux.

Hey, guys... OpenBSD or FreeBSD? Which should I try out? I think OpenBSD is more secure but FreeBSD is more usable, is that right? That's basically what I got from a quick Google, anyway.

I'd say FreeBSD is much more suited to the desktop user. You'd want to mess with OpenBSD if you were specifically looking to learn more about system security. Also, FBSD has a HUGE software repository compared to OBSD, so you'll have an extended choice of third party applications. Good luck, BSD's port system is way fun (and so are any UNIX-based operating systems)!

But remember that what console you actually get is as configurable as the rest of the system.
Most Linuxen default to bash (although *buntu uses dash which has just enough differences to be annoying) but Linux, along with *bsd, has or can easily have installed csh, jsh, ksh, rc, rsh, sh, tcsh, zsh, etc etc

Alright, just downloaded a FreeBSD ISO which I'll muck about with later

Well i am going to eat humble pie as I have returned to windows 7.

I think windows is still king when it comes to desktop OS, everyone uses it and everything runs natively on it. Don't get wrong, I think Linux has potential but needs to convince the normal user to migrate.

Apple is great and I would love a macbook air, but it is the price, OSX is the contender for windows. So we will see.

Due to my condition and my cognitive abilities are effected, I need to keep it simple.

Do some research into OSx86 and see if your hardware supports it, 40djbrooks.

thanks for the suggestion aspz i would like mac book air so saving for one

finally someone makes a valid point, and i agree completely. most hackers that go into steal stuff though will go with easy if they don't know much about hacking, but pros go after the complex stuff.

i don't know what a command line is but windows clearly lacks it as i still have trouble orgainzing stuff on mine, mac can organize like a pro right off the shelf, with windows you have to pump a ton of money into it to get half that.

both have advantages and disadvantages.

windows has more support and is easier to learn, but less stable and more venerable.

mac has more stability, security, and organization, but has less support and compatiblity. most windows software won't run on it.

so it comes down to what you need a computer for, mine is more for fun and entertainment, i have nothing on here that would be of value to anyone hacking it, but if you have important stuff like bank accounts or credit card numbers or anything you can't afford to lose you need more security.

so windows is better for general computer use, games, and entertainment, video, music.

macs are better for sensitive info and stuff you can't afford to lose, which means my dad should have a mac, he does all his banking, credit card stuff, taxes etc... on his windows xp. but he is no computer expert by any means.

As I am getting older, I am not so enthusiastic about working with computers, I use to build them and do all sorts of fancy stuff, but now I do not feel the power anymore.

Windows I can share stuff over the network with my wifes computer as she cannot migrate to linux as she uses speech software as she is blind. I know about orca, but she feels happy about Jaws. I did set up a server using linux, but I just dont have it in me anymore.

I also play world of warcraft and I enjoy it, it ran ok in linux, but it works better in windows.