GeekInCloset
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01 Nov 2015, 8:32 pm
01 Nov 2015, 8:41 pm
Unfortunate_Aspie_ wrote:
Rudin wrote:
GeekInCloset wrote:
I personally have no intention of ever visiting such a place, as they say - some things are better off left alone. I am however quite against encryption such as TOR for reasons being it is used by criminals to do some terrible things.
Believe what you want to believe but that's like being against technology because people can commit cybercrime using a computer. Or being against spoons because one can gouge another person eye's out using a spoon.
Tor is used for good things as well, more good things than bad things actually. That's just how the media represents Tor.
That was such a great way of countering that line of thinking that I do indeed have a hard time (only occasionally) believing that you are 12 years old! Such a nice rebuttal- similarly to what I wanted to say.
Thank you, I appreciate your kindness.
01 Nov 2015, 8:48 pm
GeekInCloset
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04 Nov 2015, 8:13 pm
Edenthiel wrote:
slave wrote:
Never forget who created Tor.
Imo that is the most important thing you could ever know about Tor.
Imo that is the most important thing you could ever know about Tor.
Government security experts, true. But not a conspiracy; the origins are not at all hidden. Its original purpose was to allow communications by USA operatives where someone in the middle could not identify the end points by IP address. And the assumption was that if we could crack it so could other governments, so it's been kept uncrackable*. They may well end up regretting that decision, as they have since they lost control of other things they created ranging from the Contras to al-Qaeda. But really, its inevitable that someday all traffic on the Internet may be encrypted and anonymized in a similar (but hopefully uncrackable) manner.
Update: *I was mistaken, it is assumed to be NSA-crackable due to reliance on a known bug. Kinda changes my whole argument, but I still believe the conclusion that at some point all traffic will need to be uncrackably (is so a word) encrypted and endpoint protected.
Thanks for your comment
I certainly make no claim of conspiracy, I only suggest that any Tor users would be wise to consider who made Tor and ponder the full implications of same.
One should ask themselves...why would the PTB create and release to the EFF a technology that is so useful to the criminal element?
Cui bono?
What is the motivation?
One would think that all national and international LEAs would oppose its release as it can facilitate crime.
Do they?
05 Nov 2015, 4:18 am
slave wrote:
Thanks for your comment
I certainly make no claim of conspiracy, I only suggest that any Tor users would be wise to consider who made Tor and ponder the full implications of same.
One should ask themselves...why would the PTB create and release to the EFF a technology that is so useful to the criminal element?
Cui bono?
What is the motivation?
One would think that all national and international LEAs would oppose its release as it can facilitate crime.
Do they?
I certainly make no claim of conspiracy, I only suggest that any Tor users would be wise to consider who made Tor and ponder the full implications of same.
One should ask themselves...why would the PTB create and release to the EFF a technology that is so useful to the criminal element?
Cui bono?
What is the motivation?
One would think that all national and international LEAs would oppose its release as it can facilitate crime.
Do they?
the good questions, imo, but the good answers are elswhere (also)(mostly)
with greatings from the musical MK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkWq8bBirKg
-- as to wiki, hallsoffame isn't information, but hey, beggars can't be choosers i suppose
05 Nov 2015, 4:15 pm
slave wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
slave wrote:
Never forget who created Tor.
Imo that is the most important thing you could ever know about Tor.
Imo that is the most important thing you could ever know about Tor.
Government security experts, true. But not a conspiracy; the origins are not at all hidden. Its original purpose was to allow communications by USA operatives where someone in the middle could not identify the end points by IP address. And the assumption was that if we could crack it so could other governments, so it's been kept uncrackable*. They may well end up regretting that decision, as they have since they lost control of other things they created ranging from the Contras to al-Qaeda. But really, its inevitable that someday all traffic on the Internet may be encrypted and anonymized in a similar (but hopefully uncrackable) manner.
Update: *I was mistaken, it is assumed to be NSA-crackable due to reliance on a known bug. Kinda changes my whole argument, but I still believe the conclusion that at some point all traffic will need to be uncrackably (is so a word) encrypted and endpoint protected.
Thanks for your comment
I certainly make no claim of conspiracy, I only suggest that any Tor users would be wise to consider who made Tor and ponder the full implications of same.
One should ask themselves...why would the PTB create and release to the EFF a technology that is so useful to the criminal element?
Cui bono?
What is the motivation?
One would think that all national and international LEAs would oppose its release as it can facilitate crime.
Do they?
Good points, but all it would take is a single instance where they (they = oppressive regime, or the NSA) had to have cracked it to stop criminals and the whole charade would crumble, no?
05 Nov 2015, 7:44 pm
http://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20arrests
for your consideration...pls scroll
Edenthiel wrote:
slave wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
slave wrote:
Never forget who created Tor.
Imo that is the most important thing you could ever know about Tor.
Imo that is the most important thing you could ever know about Tor.
Government security experts, true. But not a conspiracy; the origins are not at all hidden. Its original purpose was to allow communications by USA operatives where someone in the middle could not identify the end points by IP address. And the assumption was that if we could crack it so could other governments, so it's been kept uncrackable*. They may well end up regretting that decision, as they have since they lost control of other things they created ranging from the Contras to al-Qaeda. But really, its inevitable that someday all traffic on the Internet may be encrypted and anonymized in a similar (but hopefully uncrackable) manner.
Update: *I was mistaken, it is assumed to be NSA-crackable due to reliance on a known bug. Kinda changes my whole argument, but I still believe the conclusion that at some point all traffic will need to be uncrackably (is so a word) encrypted and endpoint protected.
Thanks for your comment
I certainly make no claim of conspiracy, I only suggest that any Tor users would be wise to consider who made Tor and ponder the full implications of same.
One should ask themselves...why would the PTB create and release to the EFF a technology that is so useful to the criminal element?
Cui bono?
What is the motivation?
One would think that all national and international LEAs would oppose its release as it can facilitate crime.
Do they?
Good points, but all it would take is a single instance where they (they = oppressive regime, or the NSA) had to have cracked it to stop criminals and the whole charade would crumble, no?
