Team Unix (Linux, MacOS) VS team NT (Windows): let's start.
AsaboveAsbelow
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Ok, I'm team Unix.
For being clear.
UNIX (monolithic, Keep It Simple Stupid, scalable, minimalistic, virtual memory, every task is virtualized in Sanbox, everything is a file):
-GNU Linux which GNU is the OS and Linux is the kernel which is mainly Arch (fork as Endevour and Majaro) and Debian (Devuan and Ubuntu and Ubuntu based) and Rhel (Fedora, CentOS) and Gentoo (ChromeOS I know why was written, probably also Android);
-BSD (real heir of Unix AT&T): FreeBSD (DragonflyBSD, who is the most common and still a great server and alternative for Linux), MacOS (which is 70% based on FreeBSD), OpenBSD (a weirdo OS for privacy and security obsessed who run even the crappy and older machine), NetBSD and they had erased whole Unix AT&T code for not being sued by The Open Group (owning Unix AT&T);
-MACH: is an alternative kernel for BSD, the core of MacOS;
-UNIX AT&T: still existent in machines like Bloomberg and banks, old school, no Graphic Interface, used in old Oracle and Sun Microsystems;
-MACOS: a full Unix certidfied OS, hybrid kernel rooted by Darwin, fully BSD and born during the hippie era of '80s collaborating with several BSD's programmators of the University of Berkeley (Unix AT&T worked here) and went certified for avoiding Unix sued them;
-PROTON: way to play Windows games on Unix like natively;
-WINE: using Windows softwares on Unix like;
-PACKAGE MANAGER: like Snap or Homebrew for install softwares by Terminal which is cleaner and faster.
Whole are Posix certified, only MacOS is also certified as Unix.
WINDOWS:
Nothing to say about: bad virtual memory management, bad kill daemon, microkernel, realtime kernel, Posix certified... the only great part is being "easy" without need to use Terminal (Powershell?)... but rumors say only with the Powershell you can kill a program.
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Ye, um, adapting to windows is hard and development I always had to catch errors a lot, customer will phone Nd be like there's a crazy message like illegal operation or memory dump at xxxxxx xxxxxxx
Always just give msg with err.no
Then customer quotes that to me instead, the one customer didn't know what to press, thought lost data.....what a drama.
https://hbr.org/2015/04/the-best-and-wo ... e-tweeters
So like seeking companies that never interfered with Trump freedom of speech, we've chosen coca-cola to write a much needed anti-virus for cellphones that may detect a threat, even if clearly is one and browser screen changed display....
So if files are sitting in quarantine to be deleted then customers feel that threats detected before starling got blown up.
I wonder if that will work, protect email on our phones so we can have all convenience of cell phones back for sales reps and gazilluonaires.
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Omg, somebody had answer! I love it.
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I want to meet who said "BSD" you are my heroes! I don't know if I count using a Mac!
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"Before selling his soul to the painting, he didn’t see it was a caricature He doesn’t seek a pact with the devil if it’s an eternal pain And he lives on the edge between a flying castle and a world inland Now a shadow moves in Italy, stealing while pretending to be a parody Do you know a road, perhaps a secondary one? Gondolier, take him away"
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I have one MacOS computer that doesn't get used much.
My primary workstation runs OpenSUSE Linux. My primary laptop runs Fedora (only because the manufacturer won't let it run OpenSUSE). The other two laptops run Ubuntu.
Every one of my servers are OpenBSD. They also give me the least issues.
I do have one Windows machine -- it runs Windows 2000. It hasn't been used for much in years. I am getting ready to shut it down and install OpenBSD on it.
AsaboveAsbelow
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My primary workstation runs OpenSUSE Linux. My primary laptop runs Fedora (only because the manufacturer won't let it run OpenSUSE). The other two laptops run Ubuntu.
Every one of my servers are OpenBSD. They also give me the least issues.
I do have one Windows machine -- it runs Windows 2000. It hasn't been used for much in years. I am getting ready to shut it down and install OpenBSD on it.
Ok, none use FreeBSD as working station? No warriors still alive?
I'm the kind of person who detest Ubuntu, I do love the ethic behind but sorry I don't need PHP so I detest Ubuntu.
I'm a Fedora girl.
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"Before selling his soul to the painting, he didn’t see it was a caricature He doesn’t seek a pact with the devil if it’s an eternal pain And he lives on the edge between a flying castle and a world inland Now a shadow moves in Italy, stealing while pretending to be a parody Do you know a road, perhaps a secondary one? Gondolier, take him away"
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My primary workstation runs OpenSUSE Linux. My primary laptop runs Fedora (only because the manufacturer won't let it run OpenSUSE). The other two laptops run Ubuntu.
Every one of my servers are OpenBSD. They also give me the least issues.
I do have one Windows machine -- it runs Windows 2000. It hasn't been used for much in years. I am getting ready to shut it down and install OpenBSD on it.
Ok, none use FreeBSD as working station? No warriors still alive?
I'm the kind of person who detest Ubuntu, I do love the ethic behind but sorry I don't need PHP so I detest Ubuntu.
I'm a Fedora girl.
My favorite Linux has always been OpenSUSE (or SuSE before OpenSUSE). It's been the m ost solid Linux that I have tried.
My workstation is runing OpenSUSE Tumbleweed -- the release from last Wedneday. I'll probably update it to last Saturday's release later this evening.
AsaboveAsbelow
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My primary workstation runs OpenSUSE Linux. My primary laptop runs Fedora (only because the manufacturer won't let it run OpenSUSE). The other two laptops run Ubuntu.
Every one of my servers are OpenBSD. They also give me the least issues.
I do have one Windows machine -- it runs Windows 2000. It hasn't been used for much in years. I am getting ready to shut it down and install OpenBSD on it.
Ok, none use FreeBSD as working station? No warriors still alive?
I'm the kind of person who detest Ubuntu, I do love the ethic behind but sorry I don't need PHP so I detest Ubuntu.
I'm a Fedora girl.
My favorite Linux has always been OpenSUSE (or SuSE before OpenSUSE). It's been the m ost solid Linux that I have tried.
My workstation is runing OpenSUSE Tumbleweed -- the release from last Wedneday. I'll probably update it to last Saturday's release later this evening.
I was grew up with Mandriva, my uncle is nowdays a pure Debian user and I'm more and more a Rhel... which is fun, Rhel is the competitor of MacOS historically due IBM !
I'm in both side!
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Last edited by AsaboveAsbelow on 27 Jan 2025, 7:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Remember old days where win NT would copy utils, this was ongoing where Microsoft would just copy other products and smack price tags on.
These flimsy companies have so much money, and owning marketshare but now it's evident they're lacking innovation and it may be good thing Trump signalled windows because now we will see not competitive. Not sure why Microsoft won antitrust case but maybe this is day of realisation.
When old school come back to life, then public's eye will see that tiels team lacks not just innovation but technical background. Luckily musk is in business of cars so that won't hit him so hard.
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From an interesting news piece today, we find out that Facebook actively blocks posts about Linux
From https://www.tomshardware.com/software/l ... ng-blocked
A post on the site claims, "Facebook's internal policy makers decided that Linux is malware and labeled groups associated with Linux as being 'cybersecurity threats.' We tried to post some blurb about distrowatch.com on Facebook and can confirm that it was barred with a message citing Community Standards.
DistroWatch says that the Facebook ban took effect on January 19. Readers have reported difficulty posting links to the site on this social media platform. Moreover, some have told DistroWatch that their Facebook accounts have been locked or limited after sharing posts mentioning Linux topics.
...
Facebook's overzealous ban on some Linux topics in the name of Community Standards and its protection of its users from threats come with a large ladle full of irony. "Facebook runs much of its infrastructure on Linux," DistroWatch points out, "and often posts job ads looking for Linux developers."
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From https://www.tomshardware.com/software/l ... ng-blocked
A post on the site claims, "Facebook's internal policy makers decided that Linux is malware and labeled groups associated with Linux as being 'cybersecurity threats.' We tried to post some blurb about distrowatch.com on Facebook and can confirm that it was barred with a message citing Community Standards.
DistroWatch says that the Facebook ban took effect on January 19. Readers have reported difficulty posting links to the site on this social media platform. Moreover, some have told DistroWatch that their Facebook accounts have been locked or limited after sharing posts mentioning Linux topics.
...
Facebook's overzealous ban on some Linux topics in the name of Community Standards and its protection of its users from threats come with a large ladle full of irony. "Facebook runs much of its infrastructure on Linux," DistroWatch points out, "and often posts job ads looking for Linux developers."
WTF?!
Btw in Italia only boomers use Facebook so I don't care much.
Btw even Reddit is gonna to be worse and worse.
Btw Distrowatch is paied for the reviews, rumors say.
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AsaboveAsbelow
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Who still use Unix comment, I need to know you!
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My workstation is having more and more issues with freezing up due to running out of memory. It seems worse on OpenSuSE than on other distributions.
Later and later versions of Linux seem to be making heavier and heavier demands on memory resources.
There are some versions of Linux that need very little memory. I'm tempted to try one of them.
Here's an article on the 12 best Lightweight Linux Distributions in 2024: https://linuxsimply.com/best-lightweight-linux-distros/
Thee are the distributions from the article:
1) Puppy Linux
2) Lubuntu
3) Absolute LInux
4) Bodhi Linux
5) Linux Lite
6) antiX
7( Zorin OS Lite
8 ) Ubuntu Mate
9) Peppermint OS
10) BunsenLabs
11) DSL (Damn Small Linux)
12) Tiny Core Linux
I wouldn't be opposed to switching to FreeBSD if I can run LibreWolf, Signal desktop, Telegram desktop, and ProtonVPN on it without too much effort.
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Another that I've played with lightly was Qubes OS.
If you aren't familiar with Qubes OS, it is an operating system for those who are paranoid about security.
It really needs more memory to be used to its full potential.
https://www.qubes-os.org
From somewhere on that site:
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I burned Linux Lite 7.2 to a DVD last night then installed it to a separate drive (keeping this hard drive available) and had a few issues. It is true that I could overcome those issues, but it just wasn't worth the trouble.
I also installed Fedora Silverblue but it was even worse on memory than OpenSuSE.
I also burned DVDs for the FXCE 41, LXDE 41, Cinnamon 41, and KDE 40 spins (that's what Fedora calls them) of Fedora. I have the DVD for the FXCE spin ready to go but haven't installed it yet since it is about time to go to sleep.
What is happening is that Linux is using well over half of the 8 Gigabytes (often 4.9 to 6 GB) for cache and the amount available for programs gets terribly low.
I hadn't noticed until this morning that this install of OpenSuSE Tumbleweed has no disk space allocated to caching! This is quite shocking -- no wonder it freezes so often. I may go back later today or tonight and install it on another drive being careful to make sure that it allocates disk space to cache pages. That may make a lot of differences. Sure, it would slow down when that happens, but it shouldn't just freeze for minutes at a time, or much longer.
What I could really use is some way to limit the amount of memory used for caching. There must be some way to do it -- I just haven't figured it out yet.
One thing that I am tempted to do is to go back to using OpenBSD on my workstation. I have another computer that I can set up for Linux and put it somewhere in my office. Then I can open use "xterm -X kokopelli@othercomputer" and run those programs I want from there. I don't think that I would even need a desktop environment on that computer.
So today's experiments will be
1) Install OpenSuSE on another drive (I just unplug the current and plug it in) and make sure that a sufficient amount of hard drive is dedicated for caching.
2) If 1) doesn't work, try the Fedora FXCE 41 spin. (I really don't expect this to make much difference.)
3) If 2) doesn't work, try Fedora LXDE 41 and Fedora Cinnamon 41 in that order. I'm not sure why I bothered to download and burn the KDE spin on a DVD.
And if that doesn't work, set up the other computer and use it as an adjunct to an OpenBSD workstation.
By the way, my preferred windows manager is WIndowsMaker. I don't know if that is still around, though.
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Dude, a person voted old school Unix! Can we talk about?
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