Who built the pyramids?

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07 Feb 2013, 8:08 pm

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Which is to say, the historical account states Al Mamun found them empty.

Found them empty: The upper chambers and passageways of the great pyramid.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza#Looting

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Although succeeding pyramids were smaller, pyramid building continued until the end of the Middle Kingdom. However, as authors Briar and Hobbs claim, "all the pyramids were robbed" by the New Kingdom, when the construction of royal tombs in a desert valley, now known as the Valley of the Kings, began.[44][45] Joyce Tyldesley states that the Great Pyramid itself "is known to have been opened and emptied by the Middle Kingdom", before the Arab caliph Abdullah al-Mamun entered the pyramid around AD 820.[46]

I. E. S. Edwards discusses Strabo's mention that the pyramid "a little way up one side has a stone that may be taken out, which being raised up there is a sloping passage to the foundations." Edwards suggested that the pyramid was entered by robbers after the end of the Old Kingdom and sealed and then reopened more than once until Strabo's door was added. He adds "If this highly speculative surmise be correct, it is also necessary to assume either that the existence of the door was forgotten or that the entrance was again blocked with facing stones" in order to explain why al-Ma'mun could not find the entrance.[47]

He also discusses a story told by Herodotus. Herodotus visited Egypt in the 5th century BC and recounts a story he was told about vaults under the pyramid built upon an island where lay the body of Cheops. Edwards notes that the pyramid had "almost certainly been opened and its contents plundered long before the time of Herodotus" and that it might have been closed again during the Twenty-sixth dynasty of Egypt when other monuments were restored. He suggests that the story told to Herodotus could have been the result of almost two centuries of telling and retelling by Pyramid guides.[48]

All of these accounts refer to the lower passages of all three Giza monuments. There is nothing here to which I have disagreed.

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07 Feb 2013, 8:47 pm

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Occam's Razor says they were always there.

But Stapp's Ironical suggests that it wasnt THAT big a deal to build them.

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07 Feb 2013, 9:36 pm

I did. I built the pyramids. I did it.

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09 Feb 2013, 6:57 am

there is no way you can argue the might of this great pyramids, these where made by africans and that is a clear proof that they are smarter people

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09 Feb 2013, 8:44 pm

It has been answered to the host's satisfaction that the pyramids of Giza were most believably built by the people of that area essentially by hand.

Feel free to post, but the original discussion has been resolved.

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27 Jun 2013, 9:30 am

Exploronaut wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

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The workmanship evident in the Giza pyramids is not consistent of that of slaves.
A workforce of 20,000 working for 50 years with an average yearly income of $25,000 per head ( in today's dollars ) could be a wages bill of 25 billion dollars, or two tons of gold.

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Just about the cost of the Apollo Program.

According to the movie -Stargate- the giant pyramid was a landing platform of a rather large star ship.

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29 Jun 2013, 1:31 pm

Egyptian human beings and their slaves built the pyramid. They did it using basic measuring tools including the 3-4-5 knot rope for tracing out right angles (that is all the pythagorus one needs to know for making right angles) and they using straight forward sighting sticks for their surveying. They know the basic principles of the lever, wedge and pulley and they kept fine records.

The main genius of egyptian pyramid building was learning how to break tasks down into basic operations, sequence them so as to get the best overlap and keeping dandy records of where the materials and food was. In short they mastered the art of inventory and task scheduling. That that is why dudes who stood maybe 5' 6'' high were able to build stone mountains over 400 feet high.

The Great Pyramid was the tallest building on earth until the Eiffel Tower was constructed.

The job was done by humans, not Aliens.

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29 Jun 2013, 1:42 pm

I know that, but it is a good movie.

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29 Jun 2013, 1:54 pm

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And yet even in our age of high technology we cannot replicate the achievements of pre-dynastic Egypt.

Why would we build with stone, what we can build with steel and advanced carbon fibers?

The highest the Egyptians could get was 400 feet or so. That is because they used stone. Moderns can get buildings between a quarter of a mile and a half mile high using steel, titanium and other advanced building materials. Eventually we make get a carbon fiber cable that can reach up 22,000 miles into geo-synch orbit. That is something he egyptians could never do.

The egyptians could master any empirical task that moderns can. They could keep records, they could do scheduling, they could keep inventory and even come up with a version of just-in-time delivery. Egyptians were the equal of moderns in basic common sense empirical doings. And they had just crude tools to do their stuff. In that sense the egyptians could get more out of less than can moderns.

What the egyptians did NOT have was advanced physics and advanced mathematics. That took almost 2000 years from the time of the Greeks to construct.

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29 Jun 2013, 2:07 pm

You have already answered that.

ruveyn wrote:

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And yet even in our age of high technology we cannot replicate the achievements of pre-dynastic Egypt.

Why should we and how could we. We have lighter stronger materials than granite and limestone. Carbon fibers will last forever. Steel wont last forever but will last long enough to sink the capital costs of construction. Forever is not necessary for being useful.

As to labor, we have outlawed slavery. There is no way we can get 50,000 sweating wretched folk to labor 20 years without a break just to build a tomb for some megalomaniac who thinks he is a God.

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