Does any Tech aspies have any ideas to plug the oil spill?

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Drill a ring of wells into the production strata. As everything is flowing toward the blowout the drilling mud will too. A half dozen to a dozen wells could block the strata toward the blowout, fill the blowout strata from bottom to top, and then start pumping the oil that flows in. The new wells will be the path of least resistance, the blowout will be tamed, then it can have cement pumped in and around the pipe, casing, all the way to the bottom.

Following a ring of mud around the blowout, the best sealer would be collect the oil from the beaches, the tar and asphalt, and shoot it down the holes. It is thick enough to follow all leaks, and sticky enough to bond with everything. More can be found at refineries, it is the last product.

This will cost 25 to 50 times what the first well did, and take about a year.

I am ready to start, and my neighbor will join in. I can get all the rigs and hands, supplies, so cut me a check.

Blowout preventers only work sometimes. At the best they are to seal the production casing, a 24" tube, by crushing it flat.

1. They do not work if a pipe joint is in the preventer, too much to crush, and would most likely come apart, they are threaded.

2. They do not work if a tool is down, drill stem is a thick and very strong pipe that transmits force from the rig down to the drill bit at the bottom. Nothing crushes drill stem.

3. They do not work if a production pipe has been run. They are smaller, 12", but thicker walled, built to take big pressure, and also threaded joints.

So if there is a problem drilling, gas bubbles rising, loss of mud, there are holes in casing, weaker strata, you have to keep pumping mud, and pull the drill string, miles of drill string, with a bit on the end. This of course starts an upward flow, so slowly.

Once the tool is above the blowout preventer the casing can be crushed, if it works, if it is not on a joint.

On the surface when the well kicks, blows away the derrick, spits miles of drill stem into the sky, it is time to use the blowout preventer.

Then a clamp can be put below the crimp, with a pipe fitting, a large open valve, and drilling through the casing, the oil can be directed into a pipeline.

This technology was developed a hundred years ago. It was never upgraded for going off shore. It worked as deep as divers could work, but is beyond the ability of the toy robots in use.

We need a whole new tech for working deep water. As Fuzzy posted, we have been to the bottom, subs can do it, we need a well head platform that can work on the bottom.

Oil companies may have more tech than the government does, but this shows they do not have the tech to deal with the problem, and never will. NASA and NOAA play hobby science, a government welfare program. I do not look to the UN for answers.

Homeland Security fails again, I think that is their mission statment.

Only MegaTech can deal with screwups of this magnitude. Cut the check and we start when it clears.

Inventor....your a freakin genius. Ok, you need to contact BP and the white house and cnn with this idea. I really think this will work. the oil spill idea link to CNN is the second post on the thread.
also go to www.whitehouse.gov/contact cut and paste
and as far as bp goes...I dunno who you talk to

Anyway, I knew that someone here would know...you are that someone

Jojo

When dealing with a worse case disaster, you do not do as they have done.

First they denyed the problem, than said it was a small problem, then tried to capture the oil, this is the third try, the problem is worse.

The amount flowing has been the same, the well has been out of control, since day one.

British Petrolum lies.

The Governemt supports those lies.

The Coast Guard has been keeping reporters away, with threats of arrest.

A worst case disaster takes a worst case response, the best they have come up with is drilling into the pipe 2 1/2 miles down, and pumping in mud. Physics says that will not work.

A ring of wells will, for it is the only thing that will relieve the pressure, in the production strata, allowing the blowout to be filled and plugged from the bottom, and will open the field for production.

All of British Petrolum's efforts have been to salvage the well, not stop the disaster, and the Government has been going along.

My view is it is going to get much worse, the well is still contained but leaking, it can just turn into a much larger undersea oil volcano. There is oil coming out of the sea bed around the pipe, it carries mud from the bottom, opening a larger uncontrolled path.

I think it is intentional, destroy the Gulf for everything but oil. Destroy the East Coast and open it for oil.

17 countries have offered aid, like drill rigs to reduce the field pressure, they have all been refused.

Drilling a ring of relief wells is not a new idea, it is standard procedure.

It should have been the disaster plan put in effect from day one. We could get a dozen deep water rigs, it is a proven field, the relief wells would pay.

Someone had another plan.

Have you been to the Weapons of Mass Destruction Museum? It is where all the Chemical, Biological, and Atomic Weapons are shown that were found in the Iraq oil fields.

Does any Tech aspies have any ideas to plug the oil spill?

Yes I do, and a guaranteed one as well, problem is I hate notoriety, money mongrels, politicians and Big Corporate Jerks. In time it will be figured out and put into International Law as a prerequisite for drilling offshore. Until they admit the problem, I am not interested in providing a solution.

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I think the Russia/China just started to demolish 90% of their nuclear arsenal and preprogrammed their remaining 10% stock to hit the gulf of Mexico...

So your saying that they are doing this intentionally...to kill off everything so they can drill, baby drill?

On the subject of terrorism...cheney did threaten a terrorist strike because of closing G-bay...could the explosion have been terrorism? or self inflicted?

i have 2 crude ideas that i have not heard of yet (although they must have been thought of and discounted i would imagine since they are simple concepts)

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metal bars could be drilled through the pipe horizontally to form a grate.
the grate would still allow release of pressure and would not be blown out.

then if a pipe could be drilled diagonally down into the main pipe, and a valve placed at both ends of the diagonal pipe, then the valve closest to the main pipe could be closed at the time if insertion, and the diagonal pipe could be filled with rocks. then the valve farthest from the main pipe ( on the other side of the rock content) could be closed, and the closest valve could be opened. since there would be no oil rushing up the diagonal pipe due to it being sealed at the far end, the rocks would fall into the main pipe and be blown upwards with the flow, but they would be snagged under the grate. this would reduce the flow sufficiently hopefully for the pipe to be capped.

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2. progressive sleeves of diminishing diameter could be pressed into the main pipe and secured by some sort of detonation cord could be fitted on the outer rim of the sleeves that would flash weld them to the main pipe.
if each sleeve is 1/2" less in diameter than the previous sleeve, then it may allow for the ability to finally cork the flow when the hole is only a few inches thick.

i have not read much about the problem.

I think it was caused by Corporate Greed.

As far as I can tell it was caused by pumping out the mud before the cement had time to set up.

I have worked Cement Testing and Inspection. Cement reaches full strength in 30 days.

From the time Halliburton cemented the well, till British Petrolum pumped out the mud, seems days or less.

There are faster cements, they are exothermic, generate heat. Heat expands gas.

The Deepwater Horizon was costing $750,000 a day. There was a day long argument between Deepwater and British Petrolum, about pumping out the mud, British Petrolum won.

The well was contained, there were some signs of gas pressure, gas will rise through mud.

What likely happened, a gas bubble formed from the heat of the cememt, below the mud, above the oil.

When the mud was replaced with water, half the weight, the gas blew out, and ignited.

It has happened before. There are some unanswered questions. It is usual to run a production pipe and cement between it and the casing. A blowout in the production pipe should not cause the cement to fail. Fail it did, leaving an open casing.

So in one case they did not run a production pipe, but depended on a cement plug in the casing to hold back the pressure from three and a half miles down.

This seems to fit with the cutting of the riser, only one pipe was cut, the casing.

Then they could disconnect the expensive rig, and come back later with a production rig, drill through the plug, and switch to production.

The terms of the lease seem to be if you drill and prove reserves, you can cap it and own it forever, without production.

A dry hole is filled to the bottom with cement. Casings do not last, get damaged during drilling, and on land, it is a way to protect the water table. Deeper down there is salt water, other mineral water, I doubt this applies a mile down in the Gulf.

The well failed when the cement failed, which seems the total fault of British Petrolum.

I would put the cause down as Corporate Cost Cutting, and violation of safey regulations.

What happened next is typical Corporate Suits spinning lies. There are not oil men, they are money managers.

So next they go for the cheap fix. Several have been tried.

The people at Minerals Managment who approved this have all resigned, retired, British Petrolum has plead the Fifth Amendment, and so has the Government.

The State of Louisiana has demanded to know who British Petrolum has paid, for that is taxable and they want first grab. Damages for lost income, very taxable.

British Petrolum now says they are going to donate the oil they are recovering to wildlife. More spin, they will pay for the wildlife, is this an extra? A Tax Deduction?

The idea that a relief well will solve all problems is not a sure thing. There is a freight train running through that pipe.

The only sure way to stop it is drilling relief wells into the production strata. That should have been started from day one.

The Coast Guard, now a branch of Homeland Seecurity, is in charge. They do inspect boats.

The White House thinks someone should plug the hole. This shows they do not understand the problem, but they are in charge of the world. Congress thinks they should get more oil money, as do the States.

17 countries have offered help, other oil companies, all have been refused, British Petrolum is in charge, and they will cover for their political friends. Obama himself has taken $77,000 from British Petrolum, and all of Congress, and all State Governments. The people who could go to jail are in charge.

So the blowout continues, with no end in sight.

All other deep water drilling was shut down. So all of those rigs are available to come and drill relief wells. They sit, the workers unemployed, as the coverup continues.

As if 2,000,000 gallons a day were not enough, the Gulf is mud, the oil coming up at 10,000 psi, it is leaking around the pipe, it can become a washout crater. 50 million barrels was a guess as to how much oil was down there, it could be a lot more.

Lower pressure in one place, oil migrates.

This is coming up as the worst man made disaster ever.

So let us wait and see if British Petrolum stops it in a few months.

Our Political Leadership is the best money can buy.

I keep saying they should just run tankers with pumps out there to control some of the spillage. The pressure at that site was supposed to be too much for anyone to go near. Just send some tankers out there, pump in the oiled water and bring it to mainland for processing/purification until a better alternative can be found. Yes, it's a basic idea, i know, but what else can you do . . .?

Same idea as me. Let all the oil companies come in with some form of crude (or advanced) filters and give'em a buffet of oil-water to separate as well as possible without wasting the oil, take it back to mainland and have it refined, sell us gas in greater supply, everyone wins!

Everyone wins except those who catch shrimp, prawns, oysters and other choice gulf sea food.

ruveyn

They are already screwed.

The sea life there is already dead/dying because of the oil. Sending the tankers to pump is probably the more efficient idea. Problem is, it makes too much sense and apparently pointing the finger at whose fault it is will get something done more efficiently (gotta love politicians). They need to get off their butts, get the mess cleaned up, then assign blame once things are under control/stable.

The problem is, it is the Government's fault. They are the ones who did not do the monthly inspections since Obama took office.

The latest is the well head is now leaning 12 degrees, and that seems recent.

The oil that spilled sixty days ago is now hitting Florida beaches, first a few tar balls, now a six foot asphalt road, soon, covered, with a new layer every day.

The oil has also moved north, Mississippi and Alabama coast, which gives a solid wall of oil blocking the lakes north of New Orleans.

The main lake is 24 by 36 miles, and six foot deep. storm surges put another ten to fifteen foot in, and the only place for the water to come from is now oil. This puts it at the edge of the City, where it will coat everything and stay. That is, if the levees hold.

The oil now fills an area as large as South Carolina, and is right in the path of most Gulf Hurricanes.

I am packing. I live a mile from the lake, behind levees, and below sea level.

If the fumes do not kill us, the next danger is fire, all the shores and lowlands covered in oil, any fire will be unstoppable, thousands of square miles burning. Black toxic smoke will turn everything to night.

This could turn bad. When they stop for a storm, 2.5 million gallons a day or more wll flow and a week would be a short time to get the boats out of the way, then bring them back. That is two Exxon Valdez.

Without ships pumping dispersant, it will rise to the surface. All it will take is a lightning strike and it will be a sea of fire.

Maybe Congress will form a Commission and hold Hearings.

Better get out of there inventor
BP might nuke the oil spill and then it will be Oilnobyl