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13 Mar 2011, 7:29 am

Well take a look at the post on the first page. A great deal of research has gone into it and it seems that if it was true then the wave would have been considerably more difficult to detect than we first thought.

It is a 2 hour 40 minute video, a few links to a series of highly successful predictions made by the scientist and a page with well over 20 published peer reviewed papers.

Got to repeat again, that I am hoping guy is wrong because if he is right our planet faces a very dangerous situation.


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13 Mar 2011, 9:49 am

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The gravity wave which would travel slightly faster than that could be what has been causing the sudden rise of instability.



A gravity wave has yet to be detected. So far LIGO, which has cost hundreds of millions of dollars has come up dry.

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What are the implications of a negative result?


It is hard to say. Perhaps gravitational waves are so weak that our technology is not adequate. Or perhaps the theory of general relativity is deficient and needs to be fixed or replaced. Gravitation is 10^40 times weaker than the electromagnetic interaction. Gravity waves are inherently hard to detect, if they exist at all.

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Gravity waves haven't been detected directly. However, they have been detected indirectly via the observation of a decaying orbit of a binary pulsar. I need to look for the source again though.



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13 Mar 2011, 10:07 am

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Gravity waves haven't been detected directly. However, they have been detected indirectly via the observation of a decaying orbit of a binary pulsar. I need to look for the source again though.


If I remember correctly Dr Paul LaViolette states a logical reason as to why we did not detect one.

I wish people would look at the info I posted on the first page as it is potentially very very important for our entire planet.

Edit: Give the guy some consideration. He has been correct about all of this so far;

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict2.html


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13 Mar 2011, 10:32 am

PatrickNeville wrote:
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Gravity waves haven't been detected directly. However, they have been detected indirectly via the observation of a decaying orbit of a binary pulsar. I need to look for the source again though.


If I remember correctly Dr Paul LaViolette states a logical reason as to why we did not detect one.

I wish people would look at the info I posted on the first page as it is potentially very very important for our entire planet.

Edit: Give the guy some consideration. He has been correct about all of this so far;

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict2.html


Fair enough. However, I've found the paper I was looking for. Here is proof that gravitational waves exist:

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1975ApJ...195L..51H&amp;data_type=PDF_HIGH&amp;whole_paper=YES&amp;type=PRINTER&amp;filetype=.pdf - original discovery in 1975.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0407149v1 - e-print of 2004 paper, discussing the confirmation of gravitational wave after 30 years of observing the above binary system.

Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulse-Taylor_binary

These guys even got the 1993 Nobel Prize in physics for their discovery:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1993/

Edit: PatrickNeville, I took a look at the rest of the site that your two links took me to. You're now going to have to convince me that this Dr LaViolette isn't a crackpot since I usually don't take people seriously if they make claims like "the B-2 bomber has anti-gravity propulsion":

http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/Book-Secrets.html



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13 Mar 2011, 11:33 am

Jono wrote:
PatrickNeville wrote:
Jono wrote:
Gravity waves haven't been detected directly. However, they have been detected indirectly via the observation of a decaying orbit of a binary pulsar. I need to look for the source again though.


If I remember correctly Dr Paul LaViolette states a logical reason as to why we did not detect one.

I wish people would look at the info I posted on the first page as it is potentially very very important for our entire planet.

Edit: Give the guy some consideration. He has been correct about all of this so far;

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict2.html


Fair enough. However, I've found the paper I was looking for. Here is proof that gravitation waves exist:

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1975ApJ...195L..51H&amp;data_type=PDF_HIGH&amp;whole_paper=YES&amp;type=PRINTER&amp;filetype=.pdf - original discovery in 1975.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0407149v1 - e-print of 2004 paper, discussing the confirmation of gravitational wave after 30 years of observing the above binary system.

Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulse-Taylor_binary

These guys even got the 1993 Nobel Prize in physics for their discovery:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1993/


Interesting stuff. I reckon those people are entirely correct with their research into it and that their work does not actually contradict Paul LaVioleetes work either.

Paul LaViolette basically theorises that periodically the blackhole at the galactic centre emits massive amounts of radiation which travel just under the speed of light. The gravity wave which is supposed to accompany it would travel as fast as it is expected to.

The evidence for the superwave (ignore the sci fi like name) is actually in ice core samples, in the rings of saturn (if i named the correct planet), in galaxy dynamics to name what i can remember off the top of my head.

If and when it hits us it could have enough energy to heat up the planet dramatically and kill most of the life. There is also the chance it could be smaller and only have enough energy to cause massive black out due to step down transformers being destroyed. Satellites would also be destroyed.

Ancient history is not proof of anything but it can be an indicator. Some ancient culture who designed the star signs has one of a scorpian and one of a guy with arrows. Taking into account the drift of stars, when the stinger and arrow cross it would have been pointing towards the Galactic Centre about 14,000 years ago. There is also many many ancient legends which describe a bright light in the sky which causes havoc. It was called a "god" or whatever.

If these cultures are describing real events then it would be possible they were recording the events of the superwave when it hit us.


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13 Mar 2011, 12:00 pm

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Interesting stuff. I reckon those people are entirely correct with their research into it and that their work does not actually contradict Paul LaVioleetes work either.

Paul LaViolette basically theorises that periodically the blackhole at the galactic centre emits massive amounts of radiation which travel just under the speed of light. The gravity wave which is supposed to accompany it would travel as fast as it is expected to.

The evidence for the superwave (ignore the sci fi like name) is actually in ice core samples, in the rings of saturn (if i named the correct planet), in galaxy dynamics to name what i can remember off the top of my head.

If and when it hits us it could have enough energy to heat up the planet dramatically and kill most of the life. There is also the chance it could be smaller and only have enough energy to cause massive black out due to step down transformers being destroyed. Satellites would also be destroyed.

Ancient history is not proof of anything but it can be an indicator. Some ancient culture who designed the star signs has one of a scorpian and one of a guy with arrows. Taking into account the drift of stars, when the stinger and arrow cross it would have been pointing towards the Galactic Centre about 14,000 years ago. There is also many many ancient legends which describe a bright light in the sky which causes havoc. It was called a "god" or whatever.

If these cultures are describing real events then it would be possible they were recording the events of the superwave when it hit us.


Not to be rude, but I'm very skeptical of this guy's credibility. By the way, Einstein's theory of general relativity actually predicts gravitational waves to travel at the same speed as light, not faster.



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13 Mar 2011, 12:06 pm

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Not to be rude, but I'm very skeptical of this guy's credibility. By the way, Einstein's theory of general relativity actually predicts gravitational waves to travel at the same speed as light, not faster.


At this juncture the theory of general relativity is the best empirically supported theory of gravitation we have. However it has not been adequately tested in a super-dooper strong gravitational field such as would exist in a black hole. Also it does not account for dark matter or dark energy.

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13 Mar 2011, 12:08 pm

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Not to be rude, but I'm very skeptical of this guy's credibility.


That is a good thing really. Scepticism is essential when examining things not acknowledged by the mainstream science community.

A lot of people are put off by the fact the best interviews he has done by things such a UFO youtube channel or the Project Camolot youtube channel, but after looking at the content I reckon the man does not care who he is speaking to as long as he can speak to somebody who is taking his work seriously.

Sub Quantum Kinetics, which is the science he has been publishing is extremely complicated so I wont even pretend to understand any of it. It is the observations we are making today such as materials appearing on Earth periodically that could not have been caused by super nova, the rings of Saturn (or Jupiter maybe) and all the predictions he made decades ago which are being confirmed today, which I pay attention to.

EDIT: The gravity wave does travel at the speed of light. It is the radiation which is supposed to travel slightly slower. I am talking like a fraction of a percent slower, but over the distance of a galaxy, say where our planet is, it could make at least a year or twos difference in arrival times.


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13 Mar 2011, 12:10 pm

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Also it does not account for dark matter or dark energy.

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It is accounted for by Sub Quantum Kinetics.

No point repeating myself tons of times. Check out the mans interview for a better idea.


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13 Mar 2011, 12:21 pm

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Edit: PatrickNeville, I took a look at the rest of the site that your two links took me to. You're now going to have to convince me that this Dr LaViolette isn't a crackpot since I usually don't take people seriously if they make claims like "the B-2 bomber has anti-gravity propulsion":

http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/Book-Secrets.html


First time I've seen that. Like I said I do not understand the physics so can't claim that this is technically possible. There is no reason I see personally to totally exclude it from possibility but I really really don't know.


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13 Mar 2011, 12:21 pm

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Not to be rude, but I'm very skeptical of this guy's credibility. By the way, Einstein's theory of general relativity actually predicts gravitational waves to travel at the same speed as light, not faster.


At this juncture the theory of general relativity is the best empirically supported theory of gravitation we have. However it has not been adequately tested in a super-dooper strong gravitational field such as would exist in a black hole. Also it does not account for dark matter or dark energy.

ruveyn


I agree that general relativity hasn't been well tested for strong gravitational fields. That's why alternative theories of gravitation, such as the Brans-Dicke theory, exist. Dark matter could just be the supersymmetric particles that we're still looking for in LHC, in which case would just be missing mass problem which is well within the bounds of established theories of gravity. It's really dark energy which causes the biggest problem, which I think would probably require a quantum theory of gravity to explain adequately.



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13 Mar 2011, 12:25 pm

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It's really dark energy which causes the biggest problem,


I believe that is accounted for also. Take 2 hours and 20 minutes out of your life lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oURVtGKW420


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Gravity is a force. God is believed to be a man. I fail to understand your point.


What religion assumes God to be a man?

Or are you referring to the fact that Abrahamic religion (among others) views God as masculine and refers to him with masculine pronouns?

not to derail things, But I'm also wondering why the OP choose the thread title. they are not claiming that gravity created the universe, which is what most religions believe God did. All the good ones, anyway.



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Black Holes evaporate releasing Hawkins Radiation.


No god is perfect...just ask the Christians.


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18 Mar 2011, 8:02 am

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Gravity is a force. God is believed to be a man. I fail to understand your point.


What religion assumes God to be a man?

Or are you referring to the fact that Abrahamic religion (among others) views God as masculine and refers to him with masculine pronouns?

not to derail things, But I'm also wondering why the OP choose the thread title. they are not claiming that gravity created the universe, which is what most religions believe God did. All the good ones, anyway.


Thier Gods arnt men, just like gravitation isnt a force. Depends who you ask.



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18 Mar 2011, 8:10 am

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Gravity is a force.


In the context of General Relativity gravitation is not a force. It is curvature of the spacetime manifold.

Force is a vector. Gravitation is a tensor.

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