Is there actually a mathematical rule:
If you want to see computable integers run amok real fast look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function
The Ackerman-Peter function. No one has ever gotten beyond A(4,4) with any physical computer.
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I was going to reply to this yesterday but didn't get around to it....
"Mom's Law" isn't really far from the truth to be honest, because really in mathematics what you are describing is an axiom (aka postulate). In the 19th and early 20th century mathematics went through a massive intellectual shift whereby mathematics was "axiomized". Basically what this means is that there are just things about mathematics that you have to take for truth... sort of the laws of the mathematical universe. Mathematics is not a 'natural' science... its a completely man made abstraction of thought.... its fake!
In a way I think its helpful to think of mathematics like a board game, there are rules everyone agrees to follow. There really is no answer to why the distributive law works because numbers don't naturally follow this rule, we invented a universe where the distributive law holds true. There are algebras where even simple things like the communicative property don't work.
What "Mom's Law" is really touching on is the field of abstract algebra. If you look at the definition of algebraic structures like groups and rings you will find all of "Mom's Laws" spelled out very clearly. For example a group is just a set of numbers and an operator that follows certain axioms (closure, associativity, existance of an identify element, existance of an inverse element). From the axioms that a group lays out mathematicians are able to prove other properties of algebra, for example even though the definition doesn't say so, it is fairly trivial given the four rules of a group to prove that there is only one 0 and every element has exactly one inverse. All of our algebra is built up by combining these axiomatic structures.
As for your kids problem with (x+y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 instead of the correct x^2 + 2xy + y^2, what Orwell said is what I was going to say a few days ago. But also, it doesn't seem to me like she is having trouble with the mathematical concept as much as having trouble with the parsing of the mathematical syntax. From the point of view of syntax (x+y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 makes sense and seems natural. This is the exact same issue as with computer programming, its a matter of 'parsing' syntax in semantics... that is taking what was written down and determining what it actually means mathematically. What is written on paper is just a "programming language", a symbolic representation of what mathematics really is.
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((12+144+20+3*(4^(1/2)))/7)+5*11 = (9^2) + 0
0^0 = 1 because everything to the zeroth power is one. Zero to the everything else is zero though, but for some reason 0^0 is different. To be honest I have no idea why. Well, I know what I'm going to be trying to figure out for the next two weeks.
As for the main issue here, it always helps me to remember that (X+Y)^2 = (X+Y) * (X+Y). From there you just have to know to foil that. It always made sense to me to do that.
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As for the main issue here, it always helps me to remember that (X+Y)^2 = (X+Y) * (X+Y). From there you just have to know to foil that. It always made sense to me to do that.
0^0 is not well defined. it is equal to 0/0 which does not have a well defined value.
however x^0 = 1 for non-zero x. why? x^1/x^1 = 1 but by the law of exponents this is also x^(1-1) = x^0
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As for the main issue here, it always helps me to remember that (X+Y)^2 = (X+Y) * (X+Y). From there you just have to know to foil that. It always made sense to me to do that.
0^0 is not well defined. it is equal to 0/0 which does not have a well defined value.
however x^0 = 1 for non-zero x. why? x^1/x^1 = 1 but by the law of exponents this is also x^(1-1) = x^0
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It's because zero is not well defined. It is more than nothing. It has very strange properties and to me at least, is just about as odd as infinity. I hated going through Calc I when they would tell us that if it said 0/0, we had to stop and say no solution, because there had to be something graphically, or it would not be there. I was happy when we learned how to handle limit exceptions with infinities and 0/0 (and combinations).
Oh, I don't remember who asked, but I think you may get a kick out of this. We had a snow day back in February, and I had received an automated call from the school at 6am letting me know she had no school (my classes were cancelled too). I was awake and couldn't get back to sleep, so I started writing on my Philosophy of Religions class forum. We had been discussing infinite regression, and I couldn't get it out of my head, so I wrote this puppy up (This is how I ramble at 6 in the morning while I am still doped up on sleeping meds, but can't get back to sleep):
--- Feb 1, 2011 7:30 AM
So, we have no school today. Excited? Sure. Means I get to sleep! But why, then, am I awake at 6:30 in the morning? The world may never know... (But it is really quiet outside. I live on a busy street next to a gas station. The world is dead. On a side note, I think I just heard a transformer explode in the distance. This is goig to be a fun storm.)
After reading the comments on the quiz, I was thinking about the concept of infinity. In my head, I understand and can imagine it, but explaining it is impossible. It makes my brain hurt, but I like things like that. I am a thought massochist. Anyway, what is infinity? Forget text book definitions for a minute. What do you feel infinity really is? In my calculus class, we just call it "really big" or "really small." But how can we really place a limitation like that on infinity? It is endless and beginningless, but it is not. To me, big is big, but infinity would be bigger than big. I seem to imagine a huge something filled with a large quantity of something else. There is an open end, and the largest amount of "stuff" I can imagine is filled to the brim - there can be no more added. Infinity is more added (where it is spilling out and you can not see where it stops). But this is just for large infinity. There is small infinity as well. To me, that is harder to imagine. It is so small, there is nothing, but there is not "nothing," there is still something, but if there is something, then it can still be smaller and there can never be nothing, although that's what infinity is - the unattainable goal. Then there is infinity in general. It contradicts itself. It is beyond the largest of large and the smallest of small all at the same time.
But then there is the problem of expressing it as a quantity in the first place. Infinity is not a number, but at the same time, it is. It is like a number on steroids, or maybe LSD. What kind of number can have a starting point, no starting point, be cut in half and doubled while still remaining the same? Just think for a second. Half of really big is really big, and twice really small is still really small... smaller, even. How about this: Can infinity be both huge and tiny at the same time? It breaks all the rules and concepts about mathematics that we know. It is even stranger than chaos (although Mandelbrot Sets rule).
It infinity was a physical thing, then it couldn't exist in our universe. It would break all the physical laws of the universe as we know them. Our universe is set up to follow parameters, but infinity does not follow any, except to say that it "is." It takes rules and throws them out of the window (reminds me of a rebellious teenager). Subatomic particles follow rules, even if they are a different set of rules (I am sure to get comments on this one). For those particles that we are now discovering that seem to defy physics, I am sure that their explanation will be found. For now, they are a curiosity.
To me, trying to imagine the concept of infinity is like trying to think of what is, or was, before time began. We live in a universe where time "is" (just like infinity "is"), and no time can not be explained without using temporal words. Our language lacks the means to describe such things as "no time" or infinity. That doesn't mean that it can't be, but it can't. Can it? Just because we can't imagine or describe something, does that mean it is impossible?
Infinity does not actually exist. It is not a thing. It is just a concept that we use to describe things, but then again, isn't that all number are as well?
I did get a few thoughtful responses to this, and my professor said something about not knowing much about the philosophy of mathematics, but referred me to a webpage on infinities anyway, so yes, I know about different sized infinities. I love contradictions that are so illogical, they make sense.
I have another question about my daughter and math, but I will start a new thread on it.
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Sometimes in math there really is no solution.
Having read a couple of your posts, I think you would really get a kick out of a book called "Godel, Escher, Bach". There are all sorts of things in it: the meaning of meaning, zen, recursion, infinity, artificial intelligence, an interleaving of the English, French, and German versions of the Jabberwocky poem, DNA, brains, music, art, and lots of other things. Oddly enough, all these things fit together well. Your daughter might like it too, but it's possible some parts would be over her head.
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Do you mean (x^2 + 2^2)? but theres a theorem that states that (x+2)^2 is [X^2 + 2^2 + 2(x)(2)] right? because when you expand (x+2)^2 it is (x+2) multiplied with itself, but not raising what's inside the brackets to the power of 2.
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Do you mean (x^2 + 2^2)? but theres a theorem that states that (x+2)^2 is [X^2 + 2^2 + 2(x)(2)] right? because when you expand (x+2)^2 it is (x+2) multiplied with itself, but not raising what's inside the brackets to the power of 2.
Yes, that is what I had meant. Just a lysdexic error on my part.
x^2+4x+4 (which is what you wrote) is (x+2)(x+2), yes, but she wasn't thinking that. There was no x^1 in the problematic one.
zero is very well defined. Try 1 - 1.
Yes, in that instance, it is well defined, but zero has properties of its own. It is the concept of nothing, yet we use it in equations so that they work. Basically, 0^0 is just there because it makes equations work. Just because something is crystal clear in one instance does not make it solid in others. That's part of that makes math fun are the opposites of zero and infinity.
Sometimes in math there really is no solution.
Yes, but graphically, you can see that here is really no solution. In these instances, they were not showing me everything, but I didn't know how to fit things together to make the graph work.
I will see about looking at that book. As far as my daughter, you may be surprised. She is very analytical, and after having a pretty strange conversation with my philosophy prof one day (I was the only one who showed up to class, and she was with me) she really started seeing my fascination with time (I am more obsessed with time than anything else - I have some very strange ideas). He proposed a tri-universe system where time sopped for one year in universe one for one year every 3 years, in universe 2 every 5 years and universe 3 every 7 years. Each time a universe stops, the other universes can see that it has happened. The universe that has no time has no idea that it has happened, and when it starts a year later, they carry on like nothing ever happens. At some point in time (no pun intended), all three would stop and no one will observe that time has stopped. Everyone will go one with their lives like nothing has happened (I should add that there is no fourth universe or dimension that can see this happen) and think that the other universes have skipped their turns. So, when time stopped for all three, did time really stop? Because if it did, then how did it wait a year before time started up again? I have my own answer to that one, but I will keep it quiet for now. My answer is simpler than the old "If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it really make a sound" question, but when I tell people, I am called crazy. Then again, that's what they said about the earth going around the sun too. My daughter is a ponderer. She (intellectually) is well beyond her years. I just wish her emotional development would catch up (she is doing much better though). She is so typical aspie in that respect.
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(x+2)^2 = (x+2) * (x+2)
= x*(x+2) + 2*(x+2)
= x*x + x*2 + 2*x + 2*2
= x^2 + 2*2*x + 2^2
= x^2 + 4*x + 4
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