Asperger's an adaptation to manage data more effectively?

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kelroy77
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03 Dec 2006, 11:35 pm

Hi, really enjoyed your hypothesis. It made me think of 2001 by Arthur C. Clarke (the book not the movie). The part where Clarke describes the evolution of the entities who built the monolith...amazing stuff and a great book.



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04 Dec 2006, 2:11 am

I finally had time to read this; this changes my whole outlook on AS, thank you!

p.s. I am terrible at math but I have an accute eidetic memory capacity.


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05 Dec 2006, 3:33 am

There are some interesting thoughts in your hypothesis,
but i think you should also include the difficulties.

Nt's do solve a lot of problems better than we do,
we often are the victims of our own mecanisms (like someone here said, 'evolution either works or it doesn't), this may mean that the chance to survive as is not 100 % .

Fortunately we live in a world where (besides all the bad things) people help each other.
I am not sure whether i would have survived on my own, although i think of myself as a very interesting and intelligent person (not to brag).But I can undergo things without solving it, like getting ill because i didn't keep myself warm enough. I need a certain routine for doing things, and then i'm perfectely allright but i'm lousy at things i can't predict or haven't seen anyone do before.



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11 Dec 2006, 6:05 am

cool hypothesis Malakian :)

found an article on the topic too:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/autism_evolution.shtml



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26 Aug 2011, 1:41 pm

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I don't believe in evolution. However, I believe in roles in society and thats where AS comes in.
Lets look at it prehistorically:
Neurotypical males usually become warriors, or food gatherers. Neurotypical females tend to focus on raising children and creating clothing etc etc...
And then, you have the chosen few.
The aspies, who evolve technology to the next level.



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26 Aug 2011, 1:55 pm

Evolution is not like a conscious process that develops new traits in a species in response to a changing environment. When the environment changes, evolution can only work with traits that are already in the gene pool, all of which were created somewhat at random in the past (the random part being mutations). Autism must have existed in the past (I am not sure if you are saying that it didn't). People like Da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin (he would have been an unusually socially skilled autistic), Nikola Tesla, Edison, and even some people like Patton were very likely autistic. Heck, maybe even the first stone tool was invented by someone with something similar to autism.

The increase in the prevalence of autism may be a change in the way people diagnose it. Or if there is an increase, it may be for entirely different reasons. For instance, in the middle ages people thought that they should beat ret*ds because you think faster when you are scared. They literally thought that one could have sense beaten into one's self. I can hardly imagine someone with autistic behavior, even if they would be able to take care of themselves if left alone, being left alone in this sort of barbaric society. Maybe the increase in the prevalence of autism has more to do with people being less inclined to beat them to death or banish them completely from social life. Also, an increase in prevalence would have to be directly correlated to an increase in reproductive success of autistic individuals (otherwise a drop in mortality rate wouldn't cause a boost in the population longer than one generation). As far as I can tell, autistics are not renowned for their reproductive prowess. I am inclined to think that the increase in prevalence, if any, is caused by the general population no longer being cruel enough to keep noticeably affected autistics from reproducing at all.

But maybe you're right. I'm just not convinced.



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26 Aug 2011, 3:45 pm

malakian wrote:
Is it possible that Asperger's Syndrome is nothing but human evolution? The human attempt at adapting to the exponential increase in technology? All the so-called ‘disadvantages’ seem only to play a significant role in supporting this theory.


Mankind has had technology marginally advanced beyond the spear and the bow and arrow for maybe 5000 years. That is far too short a time for natural selection to produce major variations in the human genome.

In addition it is difficult to imagine what kind of a reproductive advantage that being capable of understanding or creating advanced technology will give.

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29 Aug 2011, 2:31 am

Revenant wrote:
I don't believe in evolution. However, I believe in roles in society and thats where AS comes in.
Lets look at it prehistorically:
Neurotypical males usually become warriors, or food gatherers. Neurotypical females tend to focus on raising children and creating clothing etc etc...
And then, you have the chosen few.
The aspies, who evolve technology to the next level.


This is sort of my hypothesis too...there's always been AS traits...and those with these traits were needed to explore, be shamans, and essentially do the things that required solitary focus, just as differing roles exist in say an ant colony.



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29 Aug 2011, 4:41 am

Obviously any mutation or change in a species is part of evolution but I doubt autism will take hold of the human genome via natural selection. Most aspies can't even get laid.



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05 Sep 2011, 4:55 am

Tom_Kakes wrote:
Obviously any mutation or change in a species is part of evolution but I doubt autism will take hold of the human genome via natural selection. Most aspies can't even get laid.


I think you're right, and NT is a disease, Asperger's is not, but it's something like Sickle-cell disease:
...people's chances of survival actually increase if they carry sickle-cell trait...
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease)



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05 Sep 2011, 11:50 pm

Autistics are the ladies man until they put their foot in their mouth



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06 Sep 2011, 4:43 am

Legre wrote:
Tom_Kakes wrote:
Obviously any mutation or change in a species is part of evolution but I doubt autism will take hold of the human genome via natural selection. Most aspies can't even get laid.


I think you're right, and NT is a disease, Asperger's is not, but it's something like Sickle-cell disease:
...people's chances of survival actually increase if they carry sickle-cell trait...
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease)


Sickle Cell Anemia is only an advantage in a tropical climate where malaria is prevelant. In a temperate climate, it is a loser.

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06 Sep 2011, 5:11 am

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just one question: what about the interaction between an AS with an NT? Sometimes it fails, and that leads us to ¿What are the odds of this "mutation" passed on to the next generation?


I have been married to my NT for 54 years. She is so impressed with my brilliance she puts up with my AS schticks. Most of my kids are NT, but one might be on the spectrum, my oldest son. I think he is AS and he is now well adapted.

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07 Sep 2011, 2:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Legre wrote:
Tom_Kakes wrote:
Obviously any mutation or change in a species is part of evolution but I doubt autism will take hold of the human genome via natural selection. Most aspies can't even get laid.


I think you're right, and NT is a disease, Asperger's is not, but it's something like Sickle-cell disease:
...people's chances of survival actually increase if they carry sickle-cell trait...
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle-cell_disease)


Sickle Cell Anemia is only an advantage in a tropical climate where malaria is prevelant. In a temperate climate, it is a loser.


Yes, that is the point, Sickle Cell Anemia is a disease and it's only advantage in that specific environment.
NT is also a disease, and it's only advantage in it's specific environment (among other NTs, meaning the whole world). In a racional world, it is (would be) a loser too.



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08 Sep 2011, 3:14 am

ruveyn wrote:
computerlove wrote:
just one question: what about the interaction between an AS with an NT? Sometimes it fails, and that leads us to ¿What are the odds of this "mutation" passed on to the next generation?


I have been married to my NT for 54 years. She is so impressed with my brilliance she puts up with my AS schticks. Most of my kids are NT, but one might be on the spectrum, my oldest son. I think he is AS and he is now well adapted.

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LOL

I was just kidding, Ive got a wife too, shes NT, so are my two kids. I cant say she is ever very impressed with me though. :(

I suppose most people with AS have a good chance of reproducing but obviously people with more severe cases of autism have much less of a chance.



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11 Sep 2011, 10:41 am

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Now lets ponder what would have played out had one Aspergian, approached another Aspergian. Aspergian ‘A’ might simply walk directly up to Aspergian ‘B’, and, with total disregard for commonly accepted social behavior, ask the member of the opposite sex if he/she would be interested in engaging in sexual activity, as Aspergian ‘A’ may state their physical attraction and arousal for the member of the opposite sex, Aspergian ‘B’. Thus completely disregarding the ‘rules’ of social interaction completely, ergo achieving their goal hundreds of times more efficiently and without useless and irrelevant variables such as ‘his/her favorite colour’ creating any kind of bias.


This is much more likely to happen with NTs than ASP (and does). In part, due to extroversion and the greater number of them.

Besides, this kind of sexual encounter is much less likely to end with a baby than the slower get-to-know-you kind.