Is it me or is there less innovation in technology now?

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29 Aug 2012, 5:46 pm

There will come a time when mankind will no longer be able to continue with technology without the help of technology itself.

Technological singularity will become visible to all, we will need computers to develop new tech, not sure when but will be soon.

They now bringing more tech into day to day life, from banking to shopping. That is what is happening



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29 Aug 2012, 9:26 pm

Umm, technology has been built on the shoulders of other technology since at least a couple hundred years ago. You're late to that party.

The rate of progress is slowing, anyone can see that. Not a ton is different between, say, 1982 vs. 2012, compared to 1952 vs 1982.



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29 Aug 2012, 10:33 pm

Nanotechnology is promising some spectacular inovations in the future.


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30 Aug 2012, 9:35 am

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Nanotechnology is promising some spectacular inovations in the future.


Carbon fiber material has already made a noticeable impact. The latest planes are made of carbon fiber materials more than lightweight metal. Ditto for bicycles and automobiles.

The interface between theoretical physics/chemistry and practical engineering applications is busier now than it ever has been in the past.

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30 Aug 2012, 4:48 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Umm, technology has been built on the shoulders of other technology since at least a couple hundred years ago. You're late to that party.

The rate of progress is slowing, anyone can see that. Not a ton is different between, say, 1982 vs. 2012, compared to 1952 vs 1982.


I love watching old depictions of the 21st century. How naively optimistic they were.

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30 Aug 2012, 7:12 pm

Technology is now about improving existing technology, what people can afford as well, no good creating new tech if people cannot afford to buy it.



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30 Aug 2012, 8:53 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Umm, technology has been built on the shoulders of other technology since at least a couple hundred years ago. You're late to that party.

The rate of progress is slowing, anyone can see that. Not a ton is different between, say, 1982 vs. 2012, compared to 1952 vs 1982.


You are mistaken. Advances in medicine, new materials (carbon fiber, for example), faster data rates, communication via satellite is as common a borscht and nearly as cheap. Advances in design aids. CAD is much more powerful and cheaper these days. And of course GPS, not available to ordinary folk in the 1952-1982 time interval. Now it is in your car and your cell phone. Oh, yes. Cell phones. Much cheaper and better in the last 30 years. The wire based phone is now going out of use very rapidly. Pay phones have all but disappeared from our streets.

In one area we have gone backward ---manned space flight.

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30 Aug 2012, 8:57 pm

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MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Umm, technology has been built on the shoulders of other technology since at least a couple hundred years ago. You're late to that party.

The rate of progress is slowing, anyone can see that. Not a ton is different between, say, 1982 vs. 2012, compared to 1952 vs 1982.


You are mistaken. Advances in medicine, new materials (carbon fiber, for example), faster data rates, communication via satellite is as common a borscht and nearly as cheap. Advances in design aids. CAD is much more powerful and cheaper these days. And of course GPS, not available to ordinary folk in the 1952-1982 time interval. Now it is in your car and your cell phone. Oh, yes. Cell phones. Much cheaper and better in the last 30 years. The wire based phone is now going out of use very rapidly. Pay phones have all but disappeared from our streets.

In one area we have gone backward ---manned space flight.

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I think this stuff has less net impact on the lives of average people than the advances that occurred 52-82, and especially the ones 22-52.



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31 Aug 2012, 11:55 am

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:

I think this stuff has less net impact on the lives of average people than the advances that occurred 52-82, and especially the ones 22-52.


Our mileage varies. Use statistically significant data like life expectancy and number of patents issued.

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02 Sep 2012, 3:59 pm

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Now it just seems that people are constantly reinventing the tablet so to speak :lol:.
Back in 2000 + and 2004 We where making the switch from CRT to LCD, people where switching to broadband and games where getting better.
Is it me or is technology just being reinvented all the time now days?


There is more to technology than electronics and software. Do not overlook advances in chemistry and biology. The field of composite materials, very light and very strong is flourishing. We are catching up with the spiders whose webs have fibers stronger than steel (relative to their weight).

We are also making great strides in biogenetics. Right now we have bacteria producing human insulin at a fraction of the cost of bovine insulin and it is better for the patient. Pharma products produced by genetically modified mammals is a new field and it is flourishing rapidly.

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04 Sep 2012, 2:27 am

Tech is changing. The future as described in Popular Mechanics in the fifties, looks clunky now.

Making spider silk from genetically modified goats seems natural.

Common soil bacteria can supply all our food, building material, and as soon as my carbon nano bots make social contact, open trade relations.

Fungi have trade deals with plants where they deliver pure elements the plants cannot produce for themselves, and there are other elements I would pay for in compost.

In Atomic practice waste water is filtered by bacteria that absorb radioactive atoms, which can be recovered from their bodies later. We cannot get it out of the water, but feeding bacteria they do, and the dead flow downstream, get filtered out, and the materials then recovered and reused.

Teaching Kelp to recover Gold, disolve kelp, plate out the gold, could pay well. As a prospector, crushing ten cubic foot of hard rock to a fine powder for a few grams of gold is a good strike.

Ecuador has a salt flat lake with most of the world's Lithium. Brines do support lots of life that filter feeding Flamingos eat. A chain bioculture short of flamingos could remove the lithium from the salt, then from the bioconcentrate. The waste product would make a cattle feed.

We live in a well developed technology we have been blind to. Grass knows more about producing energy than we do. We need to get together with these CO2 reprocessors, invest in them, till there is a raw material shortage.

There are waste free processes all around that can be developed to large scale self driven processing. Good soil works because it contains 40,000 pounds of soil bacteria per acre, that has a short life, who's decay produces plant food. In life it frees elements it cannot use, that plants can, that if they just built up in the soil would kill soil bacteria. We can become the pool cleaners in this game, and recover near pure elements.

Even the recovery can be another biological process, producing the desired oxide or sulfide form.

Change is coming fast, I have a top of the line Olympus trinocular scope, it cost as much as a car. A few years later my eyes were replaced by cameras, and a LCD screen, then better cameras, sharper larger screens, which is much easier on the eyes, neck, and can be recorded. Now I need some Nanobots to go down to the working end.

If a bacteria can absorb the atoms I want, and some bug will eat them, the nanobots can be the stablehands that gather the manure, which is a high concentration of what I want without damaging the culture.

Nothing lives well in it's own concentrated waste. Removing manure and the dead keeps the production cell functioning. It can be made to float to the surface where it can be skimmed. A continious process can skim acres of salt brine.

We just need to be able to see and interact with the world around us, and it can supply all of our needs.



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04 Sep 2012, 9:13 am

One's judgement of technology is conditioned by one's expectations. There is a lot of subjectivity here. It is best to stick with facts. Count the number of patents granted in various fields of technology. Count the number of articles (in respectable journals) published.

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04 Sep 2012, 9:18 am

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One's judgement of technology is conditioned by one's expectations. There is a lot of subjectivity here. It is best to stick with facts. Count the number of patents granted in various fields of technology. Count the number of articles (in respectable journals) published.

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You hear about cool technology but then you never get to see it as it just mysteriously disappears :(


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04 Sep 2012, 5:42 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Count the number of patents granted in various fields of technology.

This is more a function of the PTO's inability to properly review patents than actual innovation or progress.

Your general point about using less subjective measures is still a good one, though.


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08 Sep 2012, 10:06 am

One of the things I have noticed is a certain deterioration of certain technologies because of cost. For example half a decade ago you could choose between having a 4:3 screen and a 16:9 screen, before that weither you wanted LCD or CRT. Nowadays you have to get 16:9 (or 16:10 with apple) LCD. For certain applications this is not desirable but it's impossible to get it new.
The same goes for analog film. No film camera's are being produced anymore and cinema's are getting rid of their 35mm projectors to switch to digital only. Digital has advantages, especially when it comes to cost, but it changes the look and feel for the worst. Same goes for digital acquisition (camera's). It's an advancement in some ways but a deterioration in others.



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08 Sep 2012, 1:07 pm

ZorgsMan wrote:
One of the things I have noticed is a certain deterioration of certain technologies because of cost. For example half a decade ago you could choose between having a 4:3 screen and a 16:9 screen, before that weither you wanted LCD or CRT. Nowadays you have to get 16:9 (or 16:10 with apple) LCD. For certain applications this is not desirable but it's impossible to get it new.
The same goes for analog film. No film camera's are being produced anymore and cinema's are getting rid of their 35mm projectors to switch to digital only. Digital has advantages, especially when it comes to cost, but it changes the look and feel for the worst. Same goes for digital acquisition (camera's). It's an advancement in some ways but a deterioration in others.


Not a deterioration in technology. It is a production decision based on market demand and ease of sale. People know how to make screens of just about any ratio you can name. They don't because it is not profitable. Do not confuse marketing decisions with technology.

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