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06 Oct 2016, 11:27 am

The Commodore Amiga has pretty much been made obsolete by gaming consoles. The NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis were far behind entry-level computers in terms of power, which ment that there was a market need for cheaper, (de-facto) purpose-built gaming computers as well. Starting with the PS1, affordable gaming consoles play most games on medium settings throughout their enitire lifespan; early on they might even play them on better settings than their computer counterparts.


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07 Oct 2016, 10:23 am

10 is hell.
I'm seriously considering installing linux on my tablet.
I've never needed to do this much registry tweaking and installing of shady appearing tools just to get rid of ads and sofyware I didn't ask for.
Disabling all updates via disabling the service was for me the only option after some recent update made some of the graphics software my job relies on malfunction on startup.

Win 10 simply makes it clear that your computer doesn't belong to you, that you're renting a service, and that microsoft, the provider of that service, is dictating to the user what can and can't be done within the limits of its service.
I however need a machine for my job, and I need it to work in a certain way.
If it doesn't do that 100% I need to open it up and tweak it. Never has an OS forced me to open it up basically straight after installing it.

..with that much maintenace necessary, I might as well run linux.


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07 Oct 2016, 1:56 pm

Kurgan wrote:
The Commodore Amiga has pretty much been made obsolete by gaming consoles. The NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis were far behind entry-level computers in terms of power, which ment that there was a market need for cheaper, (de-facto) purpose-built gaming computers as well. Starting with the PS1, affordable gaming consoles play most games on medium settings throughout their enitire lifespan; early on they might even play them on better settings than their computer counterparts.


The Amiga was more than a gaming box, that's where Commodore dropped the ball.

It could have been a macintosh killer. If they had marketed it properly it could have taken over digital media.
Video Toaster secured the Amiga with a nice begining in the early 90's but, they couldn't get it in enough professional hands.

Babylon 5 & SeaQuest was all Amiga.
As well as a lot of productions during that time.
The Amiga remained a hollywood workhorse for most of the 90's.

It was good tech, it could have evolved far if Commodore kept going.
One could only imagine where it could be today, they had a 10 year jump on the others.

But they blew it, everyone underused it as a gaming box because it was only marketed on the coat-tails of the C-64.


It was that Amiga 'demo scene' that spawned a generation of game developers.

But yes, consoles took over because of marketing blunders.



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09 Oct 2016, 8:52 am

pete413 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
The Commodore Amiga has pretty much been made obsolete by gaming consoles. The NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis were far behind entry-level computers in terms of power, which ment that there was a market need for cheaper, (de-facto) purpose-built gaming computers as well. Starting with the PS1, affordable gaming consoles play most games on medium settings throughout their enitire lifespan; early on they might even play them on better settings than their computer counterparts.


The Amiga was more than a gaming box, that's where Commodore dropped the ball.

It could have been a macintosh killer. If they had marketed it properly it could have taken over digital media.
Video Toaster secured the Amiga with a nice begining in the early 90's but, they couldn't get it in enough professional hands.

Babylon 5 & SeaQuest was all Amiga.
As well as a lot of productions during that time.
The Amiga remained a hollywood workhorse for most of the 90's.

It was good tech, it could have evolved far if Commodore kept going.
One could only imagine where it could be today, they had a 10 year jump on the others.

But they blew it, everyone underused it as a gaming box because it was only marketed on the coat-tails of the C-64.


It was that Amiga 'demo scene' that spawned a generation of game developers.

But yes, consoles took over because of marketing blunders.


Many movie studios used Amiga, DOS or even Linux in the 1990s. :) OS Classic was outdated already in 1993, when the first Windows NT was released.

The problem with peripherals like the Video Toaster is that ordinary people couldn't afford them. The main virtue of the Amiga was therefore that it mopped the floor with any x86-based computer with a similar price tag in terms of performance (compare Test Drive on Amiga to Test Drive in DOS, for an extreme example). It lost it's upper hand when 16 bit Soundblaster cards, 486 CPUs and so on became cheap enough for everyday people.


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09 Oct 2016, 10:02 am

Kurgan wrote:
pete413 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
The Commodore Amiga has pretty much been made obsolete by gaming consoles. The NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis were far behind entry-level computers in terms of power, which ment that there was a market need for cheaper, (de-facto) purpose-built gaming computers as well. Starting with the PS1, affordable gaming consoles play most games on medium settings throughout their enitire lifespan; early on they might even play them on better settings than their computer counterparts.


The Amiga was more than a gaming box, that's where Commodore dropped the ball.

It could have been a macintosh killer. If they had marketed it properly it could have taken over digital media.
Video Toaster secured the Amiga with a nice begining in the early 90's but, they couldn't get it in enough professional hands.

Babylon 5 & SeaQuest was all Amiga.
As well as a lot of productions during that time.
The Amiga remained a hollywood workhorse for most of the 90's.

It was good tech, it could have evolved far if Commodore kept going.
One could only imagine where it could be today, they had a 10 year jump on the others.

But they blew it, everyone underused it as a gaming box because it was only marketed on the coat-tails of the C-64.


It was that Amiga 'demo scene' that spawned a generation of game developers.

But yes, consoles took over because of marketing blunders.


Many movie studios used Amiga, DOS or even Linux in the 1990s. :) OS Classic was outdated already in 1993, when the first Windows NT was released.

The problem with peripherals like the Video Toaster is that ordinary people couldn't afford them. The main virtue of the Amiga was therefore that it mopped the floor with any x86-based computer with a similar price tag in terms of performance (compare Test Drive on Amiga to Test Drive in DOS, for an extreme example). It lost it's upper hand when 16 bit Soundblaster cards, 486 CPUs and so on became cheap enough for everyday people.


Frequently what "ordinary" people want and what professionals want are very different.
It's nearly impossible to sell the same product to both the consumer and business sector.



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11 Oct 2016, 3:24 am

I'm using both, not really by choice actually. I bought a copy of Windows 7 Pro for my main machine for programming on. Meanwhile, my MacBook Pro is running Windows 10 with the Anniversary Update under Bootcamp. I hate Windows 10, but I have to use it on the Mac because Windows 7's DPI scaling is just terrible. The UI is in such a mess, it's far more tedious to use than previous versions like 7 and XP.



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11 Oct 2016, 3:55 am

Gears of War 4 has been named as an unreal engine 4 masterpiece by DigitalFoundry and it is only available on Windows 10 for PC and Xbox One, the game has set the benchmark for future Unreal Engine 4 games.



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11 Oct 2016, 6:56 am

All the more reason to buy an Xbox One, then. :) Windows 10 uses a lot more resources in the background than any other OS, with Ubuntu being a possible exception.


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12 Oct 2016, 4:59 am

The Xbox One S version does have the advantages of being an early adapter of HDR but at the same time, the game only runs at 30fps which is a deal breaker for many PC gamers.



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12 Oct 2016, 5:16 am

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Which do you prefer of the two?

On one hand Windows 10 has some bugs but on the other hand Windows 7 is some what slower in benchmarks. I guess its kinda of the Windows version of bleeding edge vs stability. Also VR doesn't support Windows 7 on steam, is anyone forced to use Windows 10 because of this?

Windows 8.1 Modded to look like Windows 7 plus windows 10 can't run Skyrim.


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12 Oct 2016, 6:14 am

my puter under 7 was adequate [intel I-core3, 6G medium speed RAM, 250G SSD] but is woefully inadequate for w10 which requires roughly twice the system resources that I have. puter repair fella said I needed a minimum of a 3Ghz quadcore and 16G highest speed RAM - IOW what once not too long ago qualified as a quasi-gaming-level machine. with my unrequested W10, just running WP uses all 2.3Ghz and both cores and 85+% of my RAM. the pages lock up and crash half the time.



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12 Oct 2016, 8:43 pm

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I prefer Windows 7. It takes up less hard drive space, runs on older hardware, has a more visually appealing UI, only has a single "Control Panel" rather than the two settings programs that Windows 10 has, you can actually drag and drop things into the Start Menu, doesn't have all of those unremovable apps that I'll never need like OneDrive, and is far less buggy. Gaming features don't matter at all to me, since all of the games I play predate Windows 7.


I use Windows 7 for the same reason. It becomes easy for me to navigate.



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13 Oct 2016, 1:10 am

Pieplup wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
Which do you prefer of the two?

On one hand Windows 10 has some bugs but on the other hand Windows 7 is some what slower in benchmarks. I guess its kinda of the Windows version of bleeding edge vs stability. Also VR doesn't support Windows 7 on steam, is anyone forced to use Windows 10 because of this?

Windows 8.1 Modded to look like Windows 7 plus windows 10 can't run Skyrim.


Skyrim runs great on Windows 10, I played it last night and I have many mods installed. It is Fallout 3 that doesn't run on Windows 10, it is one of my favourite Fallout games.

The remastered edition of Skyrim will support 64-bit and fix any stability issues with modded versions of the game due to the increased memory.



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13 Oct 2016, 11:03 am

I really like Windows 10, much more than I thought I would. Windows 7 was great too, however. I actually liked Windows Vista too. Windows 8 was a mess in my opinion, I could barely use it.


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13 Oct 2016, 3:35 pm

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I really like Windows 10, much more than I thought I would. Windows 7 was great too, however. I actually liked Windows Vista too. Windows 8 was a mess in my opinion, I could barely use it.

do you have 16G of RAM and a 3+Ghz quadcore cpu?



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16 Oct 2016, 4:12 pm

Synth.osx wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
Which do you prefer of the two?

On one hand Windows 10 has some bugs but on the other hand Windows 7 is some what slower in benchmarks. I guess its kinda of the Windows version of bleeding edge vs stability. Also VR doesn't support Windows 7 on steam, is anyone forced to use Windows 10 because of this?

Windows 8.1 Modded to look like Windows 7 plus windows 10 can't run Skyrim.


Skyrim runs great on Windows 10, I played it last night and I have many mods installed. It is Fallout 3 that doesn't run on Windows 10, it is one of my favourite Fallout games.

The remastered edition of Skyrim will support 64-bit and fix any stability issues with modded versions of the game due to the increased memory.

Not on AMD cards/cpus.


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