cyberdad wrote:
Rather than blindly copy/pasting responses attacking him from colleagues who (as he has said) are likely jealous of his achievements, why not evaluate yourselves what he is claiming (I am sure you are all capable of doing this if you want).
In 2017 he was one of many astronomers studying the detection of a peculiarly shaped object passing through our solar system. Astronomers described it as having “extreme dimensions” (long thin and flat like a pancake). Other astronomers agreed that the object was anomalous. It did not have a tail like a comet so was identified as an asteroid.
The problem was the object (dubbed ’Oumuamua – Hawaiian for “scout” or “first distant messenger” indicating it's entry from outside the solar system) was measured by NASA as accelerating while travelling past the sun. This presented a dilemma since asteroids can't do this.
The problem facing astronomers is what endogenous source of energy could accelerate the object? It did not have ice (like a comet) so the heat of the sun can't force gas to push the object. Because the object was flat it was likely the object absorbed heat from the sun but what was the mechanism? Loeb said among many options that one option is ’Oumuamua could be a solar sail from an interstellar craft, using sunlight to accelerate through space. In other words, it belonged to aliens. His offering this as a possible (not only) reason was immediately jumped upon as heresy.
Loeb is brave to be open minded, He is intellectually curious. So when an object was detected by NASA again as being interstellar landed of the coast of new Guinea in 2014, Loeb suggested an expedition to retrieve the remains of the object. Despite being funded, his colleagues again accused him of running a fool's errand. Loeb collected spherules from the exact zone of the object and while the spherules he collected do contain anomalies i(and likely of interstellar origin) t does not prove they are of alien origin.
Offering alternative theories is within the bounds of the scientific method as other in the case of both objects exhaustive investigation has not comprehensively determined the origin of the material. Until their origin is completely determined all bets are on. Loeb is one of the few who is willing to put his own reputation on the line (and why should he?) to say that they may also be of artificial origin.
Why dont YOU stop projecting yourself on to us? you're the one with the cookie cutter responses.
We talked about this thing that fell in the sea near New Guinea in another thread. I explained how objects in space naturally move fast. You had no answer. So instead of acknowledging defeat you hid behind an appeal to authority by saying "this guy has creditials ".
Several problems ...hundreds of folks of equal creditials say he's full of it.
And you ...as an individual ...using an appeal to authority...is even more problematic than for most because its hypocritical ...because you have history of contempt for authority. You dont even bother to learn conventional history, conventional archeology, or conventionial astronomy. Dismiss all scholars as racist. And when you do cite authority to back up anything you say...your 'authorities' are always e folks like Grahan Hancock (an outright grifter and media huxter).
So its laughable for you to suddenly brag about what a mainstream authority this guy happens to agree with you is.
So FINNALLY you find ONE mainstream member of the scientific community who has more credentials than Grahan Hancock or Eric Van Danikan, or Tsoukakis, so you latch on to him with a death grip.
So ...instead of hiding behind this one dude's credentials...why dont YOU follow your own admonitions at us...do some thinking..and argue for him. Instead of hiding behind him, and waving his credentials at us?
And the first place to start with that is to tell us...what exactly IS the evidence for any of his claims?
There is ONE point he makes in the panel discussion taht I agree with...he comes off as a bully an as*hole and a liar... because of the way he says it. The way I would state his point is "the powers that be who write the checks to researchers have certain priorities...like war...and like curing cancer.... Scientists who want to chase after evidence for "little green men" are the rock bottom in priority. Thats why that lady (who was played by Jody Foster) could only get scraps and got to use Aricebo only on off days- before it got destroyed in a windstorm. It would be NICE if the government would finance a space probe (manned or unmanned) at the drop of hat just to check out Onomanopea (or whatever that objects called) to see if it is in fact an alien sail driven machine, or not. But the powers at be just wont shell out that kinda money at a moments notice.
01 Dec 2023, 9:21 pm
