Who here is a math / physics whiz??
MysteryFan3 wrote:
ZakFiend wrote:
+0.9 = +1 (and/or?) +0.9 (not sure hence the "?")
-0.9 = -1 (and/or?) -0.9 (at same time?)
Which is strange but it works...
so "binary operators"? are a 'superset-operator'? that is close or near energy equivalent to energy in some way? it makes my brain hurt... anyone who can clear this up would be appreciated.
It seems a boolean number contains a NUMBER and a VECTOR inside the number, and then also a "frequency" (i.e. part-on, part-off.... +0.6 = +1, (and/or) +0.6 (because it's a fraction of binary can be represented by binary, since it is a fraction of itself!)
so +0.6 is actually a binary number it would be like... a voume for "yes" (I am sort of yes, very yes, extremely yes(on/in-direction), etc).
-0.9 = -1 (and/or?) -0.9 (at same time?)
Which is strange but it works...
so "binary operators"? are a 'superset-operator'? that is close or near energy equivalent to energy in some way? it makes my brain hurt... anyone who can clear this up would be appreciated.
It seems a boolean number contains a NUMBER and a VECTOR inside the number, and then also a "frequency" (i.e. part-on, part-off.... +0.6 = +1, (and/or) +0.6 (because it's a fraction of binary can be represented by binary, since it is a fraction of itself!)
so +0.6 is actually a binary number it would be like... a voume for "yes" (I am sort of yes, very yes, extremely yes(on/in-direction), etc).
The decimals paired with booleans sounds like probabilistic logic. You may find useful ideas in an elementary book on fuzzy logic, neural nets or genetic algorithms. You may not need a field or other similar structure to define what you're seeing. The vector part particularly sounds similar to neural net design.
It also sounds like you may be in a hurry and are missing important information. Slow down and make sure every piece is in its proper place. If you're trying to invent a mathematical structure, it has to get past strict reviews by professional mathematicians. It looks interesting. Good luck with it.
I was in a hurry when I posted that, believe me I've got a notebook filled with notes and scramblings, I'm piecing it all together... thanks for the intelligent post!! I'm glad someone is grasping what I am saying, it's trapped my my visual mind, if I could just "paint it" in a 3D animation and post it on youtube it would make it so much easier... but I have to convert it to words (the vulgar language!!)
The way I use "field" is in a geometric sense... like a set of points on a plane, that belong to plane frequency n. It's complex because I see it all in colors, and three dimensional meshes.
Say we have 2^0 in binary = 1
So we have -exist(2^0) = (in binary) 0
Then we have +exist(2^0 = (in binary) 1
now in binary logic, I figured out that there is not "yes or no" its IS YES or IS NOT YES.
So it's one function a "yes" function. so you have +(yes) or -(yes).
there is no such thing as a 'non existant' in boolean logic I've discovered, and hence I now use
1 and -1 to represent binary numbers, instead of 0 (the empty number). Since 0 is the boundary in the logic set. As you can see I got a lot of piecing together to do, and sticking all the puzzle pieces in the correct order in a way other people can intelligently understand them.
I'm sure the books on fuzzy logic and AI will help.
I'm not worried about the mathematicians... I'm a fan of mr buckminster fullers idea that mathematicians are not exactly the smartest people in the world.
http://www.thirteen.org/cgi-bin/bucky-bin/bucky.cgi
ZakFiend wrote:
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I'm sure the books on fuzzy logic and AI will help.
I'm sure the books on fuzzy logic and AI will help.
Not unless you understand the mathematics involved, or rather, the mathematical method.
ZakFiend wrote:
I'm not worried about the mathematicians... I'm a fan of mr buckminster fullers idea that mathematicians are not exactly the smartest people in the world.
I think you fail to understand the quote. Mathematicians are indeed the stupidest people in the world, in a sense, because they assume nothing about it and say nothing about it.
ZakFiend wrote:
http://www.thirteen.org/cgi-bin/bucky-bin/bucky.cgi
A curious site, that starts off by (I assume) mis-quoting the man, with a nonsense line.
It does make me wonder what the original quote (if any) really says, and what context it was said in.
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lau wrote:
ZakFiend wrote:
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I'm sure the books on fuzzy logic and AI will help.
I'm sure the books on fuzzy logic and AI will help.
Not unless you understand the mathematics involved, or rather, the mathematical method.
Thanks but I understand math... because MATH is a subset language, of our alphabetic language and visual geometry. (i.e. what you see/sense/detect).
All of mathematics is nothing more then a conversion of light data to symbolic script (i.e. you see a sphere n the real world and need some kind of ABSTRACT REPRESENTATIONAL SYSTEM) to describe it... therefore math is an abstract descriptive language we need to categorize and describe the world itself, light and math are intimately linked in big ways you probably don't even grasp.
Sorry but mathematics is just describing energy and it's various forms, so therefore mathematics is limited to the minds who invented the different languages of math.
Real mathematics is shapes, colors and geometry.
lau wrote:
ZakFiend wrote:
http://www.thirteen.org/cgi-bin/bucky-bin/bucky.cgi
A curious site, that starts off by (I assume) mis-quoting the man, with a nonsense line.
It does make me wonder what the original quote (if any) really says, and what context it was said in.
That's only because you don't understand it, you're no doubt working under the "enlightenment fallacy".
That reason by itself is the harbinger of all truths, I have news for you, reason is only HALF the equation. Metaphors, and art, and other abstract representations (animations, graphics, etc). Are the other half of the truth.
Any thing that contains a partial truth, contains a TRUTH piece, therefore, even though the whole shape is not congruent, a piece of it is, and that piece remains true all of the time, else it would not be true.
Buckminster fuller
http://www.thirteen.org/bucky/syner.html
Quote:
Synergetics is Fuller's name for the geometry he advanced based on the patterns of energy that he saw in nature.
For him, geometry was a laboratory science with the touch and feel of physical models--not rules out of a textbook. He started with models of the closest packing of spheres. From that basic starting point he derived triangles as the most economical relationship between events.
He did not start with Euclid's lines in the sand or Descartes' cubes and square XYZ-coordinates. Fuller felt that the old classic approaches did not describe the way nature actually behaves. For instance, Euclid's lines were thought to go off to infinity. Fuller says lines are vectors of energy and he rejected the notion that anything physical could be extended indefinitely.
Descartes cubes are unstable forms. For Fuller, the world is built of stable, finite structures. His triangular coordination depends on tetrahedral models. (A tetrahedron is a pyramid with a triangular base.) Four spheres close pack into a stable tetrahedron: good. Eight spheres stack into an unstable cube: bad. His geometry hinges on the tetrahedron, the simplest structural system within insideness and outsideness: he advances it as the most economical way to measure space and to account all physical (and metaphysical!) experience.
This is what he calls synergetics: an empirical mathematical system in which geometry and number mesh without fractions. It gains its validity not from classic abstractions but from the results of individual physical experience. His two-volume work "Synergetics" has the subtitle: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking.
E.J. Applewhite collaborated on the books Synergetics I and II with Buckminster Fuller. He recommends Kirby Urner's Synergetics on the Web for an excellent graphic introduction to Fuller's synergetic geometry, plus links to other sites describing synergetics--many with gorgeous color graphics.
For him, geometry was a laboratory science with the touch and feel of physical models--not rules out of a textbook. He started with models of the closest packing of spheres. From that basic starting point he derived triangles as the most economical relationship between events.
He did not start with Euclid's lines in the sand or Descartes' cubes and square XYZ-coordinates. Fuller felt that the old classic approaches did not describe the way nature actually behaves. For instance, Euclid's lines were thought to go off to infinity. Fuller says lines are vectors of energy and he rejected the notion that anything physical could be extended indefinitely.
Descartes cubes are unstable forms. For Fuller, the world is built of stable, finite structures. His triangular coordination depends on tetrahedral models. (A tetrahedron is a pyramid with a triangular base.) Four spheres close pack into a stable tetrahedron: good. Eight spheres stack into an unstable cube: bad. His geometry hinges on the tetrahedron, the simplest structural system within insideness and outsideness: he advances it as the most economical way to measure space and to account all physical (and metaphysical!) experience.
This is what he calls synergetics: an empirical mathematical system in which geometry and number mesh without fractions. It gains its validity not from classic abstractions but from the results of individual physical experience. His two-volume work "Synergetics" has the subtitle: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking.
E.J. Applewhite collaborated on the books Synergetics I and II with Buckminster Fuller. He recommends Kirby Urner's Synergetics on the Web for an excellent graphic introduction to Fuller's synergetic geometry, plus links to other sites describing synergetics--many with gorgeous color graphics.
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