Who else thinks that theoretical immortality is acheivable?

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04 Dec 2007, 8:10 am

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You wont see 300 year old people that experience 3 years as a toddler, 9 years as a kid, 6 years as a teen and the rest as an adult. All the stages of life will stretch out. Even if people are sexually mature, as most modern teens are, you will see extended periods of youth, as we do in modern times with extended educational development and the delay of responsibility.
That's actually a very interesting concept. I do think that we may benefit from deliberately slowing our development. It would neatly take care of the population problem.



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05 Dec 2007, 10:51 am

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There are two problems with this. I do not desire immortality in living forever because it would be boring.
You've never tried Salvia 40x, have you? Besides, why should one day be more boring than the last? For that matter, the excitement and flavor of life is only going to keep growing. Wouldn't you want to be around for our first extra-terrestrial contact?
One cannot make the assumption that such extra-terrestrial beings do actually exist,
It's highly unlikely that they don't.


Where did you buy that assumption from? If they were likely to exist, and we had some chance of seeing them, why do you expect that we should be able to see them? It might be better phrased that if they were likely to exist (which only assumes that there is at least one extraterrestrial in the huge, wide, open sea of the universe) what makes you think it would be probable for us to see some other life form not from Earth when life in space is highly unlikely (but not impossible)?

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and if they did, it does not mean our race as a whole may survive long enough for that to happen, if it did
It would be highly interesting, though.


Define "interesting". I'm not interested in seeing some extra-terrestrial organism. I'm more interested in doing more math problems.

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(ie, the sun running out of energy before we disappear, if our controversial nature doesn't end up destroying us first).
That's a long way off. The former, at least. I seriously don't even expect to survive that long. It's a good goal, though :D.


If you don't expect to survive that long, then what's the point of longevity?

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You might eliminate the problem of being too old to do the things you used to enjoy by removing the aging process, but that doesn't mean you won't get bored of doing the same activities you used to enjoy.
The more well-adjusted elderly seem to take a fair amount of pleasure in retracing old steps.


But if you're not getting older the same way old people age, and are continually staying young, what would provoke you to "retrace" your steps? You would simply be doing the same things you've always done because you're not aging, and if you used to do something well when you were younger, you're still doing the same thing probably just about as well because you're not aging (if we are talking about something like sports, or some other strenuous activity you can do better when you're young than when you're old), and that might be considered boring. If you did age, you would notice that you are changing, and not able to do the same thing as well as you could. Even if it is undesirable, at least it's not boring to know you're changing.

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You're also not guaranteed to enjoy any new activities that might be developed in the future, as not everyone enjoys the same things--if you don't, living may as well just be boring.
I'm not sure that any such thing is guaranteed as it is. I'm unsure as to how longer lifespans would affect this.


I learned to ski when I was young, and then decided to try snowboarding because it was new--I also tried this when I was young, and didn't like it. It's not impossible.

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Or I could also ask you the same--why assume that life will continue to be "exciting"? Besides, most people live relatively uninteresting lives anyways.
You've never had a salvia trip, have you?


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05 Dec 2007, 12:13 pm

Griff wrote:
...You've never had a salvia trip, have you?

I'm not at all sure I would wish to, either. I find this reality quite interesting enough. I feel no need to distort my perceptions with a psychoactive drug. I actually like my neural pathways roughly as they are now. Smashing them about at random is not my idea of a way to escape boredom (whatever that is...).

Hey... but don't get me wrong. I am all in favour of de-illegalisation of everything. It really is up to each person to choose when they wish to not longer continue their individual conciousness.


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18 Jan 2008, 5:25 am

I think effective immortality of the body might be possible. But even if that does happen, I don't think it would be all it's cracked up to be.

I think of the self as a fluid thing that changes over time. I am a different person now than I was when I was a child. And if I live for another 50 years I won't be the same "me" as I am now. So in a way the "me" that is currently typing this post will have died, even if my body is still there.

Extrapolate that out to someone who lives for 10000 years. Do you really think a 10000-year-old is going to even remotely resemble the person they were when they were 20? I think you would change so much that the new "you" wouldn't be you any more. So how would that be any better than simply dying and making way for the next generation (who, lets face it, would probably be about as similar to you as the 10000-year-old "you" would be).

In short, change is a fundamental part of life. Change is also a kind of death. Therefore death is a part of life.