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30 Jan 2013, 1:47 pm

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He was dumfounded, until I pointed out that Rare-Earth metals are used to coat the inside surface of a television's CRT in order to provide the colored image.

It is amazing the stuff people lacking the rudiments of scientific knowledge come up with. I've had a good laugh at some of the posts in this thread and one or two others recently in PPR; but haven't been inspired to join in the debunking - it gets tedious after a while responding to some of the silly posts by those who are naive / clueless in the extreme.

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30 Jan 2013, 3:50 pm

I'm just hoping that "those who are naive / clueless in the extreme" will one day learn to tell the difference between baseless belief and scientific fact - not that WrongPlanet is by any means a "Royal Academy of Sciences", but that once all organic and social disabilities are accounted for, it is one's belief in myths and false science that hold them back the most (imo).

For example: An employee who believes that space aliens are behind the success (or failure) of a company may never find himself on the short list for promotions and raises ...

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30 Jan 2013, 7:08 pm

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Mass hysteria and people seeing what they want to see (Pareidolia).
Most likely military parachute flares.

Tens of thousands of witnesses, genuine footage, multiple official reports. Even the mayor went on the record as saying he saw this one, and you call it 'people seeing what they want'.

And to the contrary you volunteer 'military flares'. :lol:

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30 Jan 2013, 7:20 pm

ripped wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Mass hysteria and people seeing what they want to see (Pareidolia).
Most likely military parachute flares.

Tens of thousands of witnesses, genuine footage, multiple official reports. Even the mayor went on the record as saying he saw this one, and you call it 'people seeing what they want'.
Since when did this happen with a ghost, or a fairy, or your fabulous 'military flares'?

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30 Jan 2013, 7:20 pm

ripped wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Mass hysteria and people seeing what they want to see (Pareidolia).
Most likely military parachute flares.

Tens of thousands of witnesses, genuine footage, multiple official reports. Even the mayor went on the record as saying he saw this one, and you call it 'people seeing what they want'.
Since when did this happen with a ghost, or a fairy, or your fabulous 'military flares'?

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

and reconsider.

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30 Jan 2013, 7:42 pm

While reports from surrounding observatories show that what those witnesses saw at Fatima was not the sun, it cannot be taken as proof that the the people there assembled saw nothing of substance at all.
The crowd at Fatima had assembled in the expectation and upon the assurance of seeing a miracle. Whatever the stimulus for their apparition, it was still a planned event.

This contrasts starkly with tens of thousands of people interrupted in their normal activities by a life changing event that was neither predicted nor expected.

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30 Jan 2013, 7:59 pm

Exploronaut wrote:

ripped wrote:

Fnord wrote:

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What "evidence"? :roll:

It would be too much to expect you to look at any of it.

I have looked at all that CRAP you call "evidence" for extra-terrestrial involvement behind UFO's (and pyramids too), and found it all to be worthless. What isn't based on bogus data is based on false assumptions. Furthermore, the plural of "Anecdote" is not "Data", and your "evidence" for extra-terrestrial origins of UFOs is no better than the "evidence" presented in a Chick Tract for Heaven or Hell.

Ah Fnord, it is so good to hear from you.

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Do you want to know how to fake a UFO photo? It's easy. You don't have to read this article, but I know everyone else will.

The rest of the article shows the "UFO" inserted into various landscapes.

You may now consider your "evidence" thoroughly falsified!

:lol:

Yes it is easy to fake a 'UFO' photo, trouble is they almost all immediately look faked.
But this is just talking about photos, not footage and not millions of witness accounts.

Fnord, Google 'Phoenix Lights' for me.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD6MYZcucQA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wr6_-XoRE[/youtube]
This explains the official 'explanation'. Watch and enjoy.

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30 Jan 2013, 8:07 pm

ripped wrote:

This contrasts starkly with tens of thousands of people interrupted in their normal activities by a life changing event that was neither predicted nor expected.

Any lawyer will tell you the most unreliable witness are "eye witnesses". People tend to see what they expect to see.

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31 Jan 2013, 12:55 am

Including skeptics?

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31 Jan 2013, 9:22 am

Especially skeptics. They will see Nothing when there is Something to see.

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31 Jan 2013, 11:37 am

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This explains the official 'explanation'. Watch and enjoy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtBnB8ONiJA[/youtube]
It can have been a V-shaped alien spacecraft on the size of several footballfields with five lights that didn't make noise...
...or an alien spacecraft on the size of a Boening 747 with six lights that sounded like a rushing wind...
...or a triangelshaped alien spacecraft with three lights...
...or five seperate flying alien spacecrafts...
...or four mysterious lights...
...or five military planes...
...or a hologram created by the military...
...and NOW the governour tells that he saw a alien spacecraft...
...on a documentary from history channel...
Yap, this is a real UFO(Unidentified Flying Object).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd0XBk7AJco[/youtube]
http://www.putlocker.com/file/E5DB31EA52186DF9
http://www.ufosnw.com/history_of_ufo/phoenixlights1997/usatodayarticle06181997old.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/09/simington.ufocommentary/index.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20080501103651/http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetopstory/stories/Phoenix_local_news_042108_new-lights-sightings.895be60f.html
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1509.htm

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31 Jan 2013, 1:09 pm

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zero evidence exists that earth has been visited by extra-terrestrials.

True.

The distances in the universe are too far for us to be visited by ET:s, so the only rational explanation where the observed ufo:s come from is from inside the earth (IT) (which can also be backed up by many stories and discoveries from our hollow earth). :cheers:

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31 Jan 2013, 8:34 pm

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@ripped: I'm well aware the event occurred: that's a simple matter of historical record. It's just the idiotic alien-based reasons behind it that are so laughable and the way countering evidence - actual evidence - is ignored.

I see the voice forgery is now demoted to being a mere anomaly. I suppose that's marginally better than completely ignoring it. :lol:

Assuming you can hear the difference - do you not think it in the slightest bit odd? This video is presented as evidence of some sort of alien intervention yet a good proportion of it is very clearly and easily demonstrated as faked.
I assume these aliens also had English accents so it would be easier for us to understand them? That's very thoughtful...
It seems you're more content to believe some scary, B-movie alien voice effect is more significant than a demonstrably faked announcer's voice. That's just irrational.

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I present the facts as I see them only in the interests of producing constructive debate.

The only fact you've presented is that a broadcast was interrupted. The rest of it is some sort of bizarre fantasy.

If you cant be bothered looking it up then I am not going to bother doing it for you.

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31 Jan 2013, 8:37 pm

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:

When people ask for extraordinary proof what they really seem to mean is mainstream acceptance

Not me in this case.
I am just seeking any form of basic supporting evidence for the assertion that this was a broadcast from some alien being, beyond 'People say it is', or 'It might be', and a rather silly B-movie "portentous voice" effect - but the proponents of that idea don't seem interested and I am expected to take the whole thing seriously as-is.
Not gonna happen, because what's presented so far is and has been exposed as fakery and idiotic fantasy.

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I can't speak one way or another on the video but I've seen how - on other subjects - just how much people can push under the carpet by discrediting the sources.

In this case the so-called source discredits itself on many levels. It needs no further help to be seen as the utter crap it is.

Yet you are incapable of making any comment about the material presented in the other two links.

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31 Jan 2013, 8:40 pm

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A UFO is anything that was unidentified. If you don't know what it is, then it is unidentified. So yes, they are real.

This. As to whether any of them are from another world or another dimension, I have no idea. But it is a topic that has fascinated me for a long time.

Zeta-reticuans are from another dimention.
Sassanis are from another dimention.
The Shalania are from another dimention.

You saying that is supposed to convince me? Oh, well I guess it's settled then. NOT.

Nothing is supposed to convince you. You asked a question, I answered it, and then you were rude about it.

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31 Jan 2013, 8:42 pm

HareKrishna wrote:

cathylynn wrote:

zero evidence exists that earth has been visited by extra-terrestrials.

True.

False

cathylynn wrote:

The distances in the universe are too far for us to be visited by ET:s, so the only rational explanation where the observed ufo:s come from is from inside the earth (IT) (which can also be backed up by many stories and discoveries from our hollow earth). :cheers:

This argument has already been covered. Read back.

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