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31 Dec 2008, 3:27 am

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31 Dec 2008, 10:56 am

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Linux would have been cutting edge back in 85', now it's just a unusable artifact used my angry virgin nerds that are jealous of Microsoft.


Points at the troll and laughs.

I have parallels on my mac so I can have the ability to run other OSs when I need them. Does it say much that I have 2 virtual machines, each a different distro of linux? Notice what major OS did not make the cut and it is not due to lack of HD space either!


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31 Dec 2008, 11:03 am

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If you want to do stuff on your own in a Mac you really have to become a crazy hacker and know some hard-core UNIX stuff.

Hey! Someone wrapped a GUI around my terminal! :)

True, a GUI limits you in any OS as they design them for the lowest common denominator of usage/users. To do the neat stuff you hop into the command-line realm. Just make sure you know what you are doing before you do so.

BTW, was I the only one that loved that in the Amiga OS you could quit the graphical interface in order to devote more CPU resources to the command line? :)


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31 Dec 2008, 11:21 am

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BTW, was I the only one that loved that in the Amiga OS you could quit the graphical interface in order to devote more CPU resources to the command line? :)


Aaah, the Commodore Amiga - the perfect engineering replication of the girlfriend with split personalities. Some truely amazing graphics and some great games (head to head Lemmings where you get to kill your opponent's Lemmings - brilliant!). Then there was the *nix port that was utterly horrible. I don't even remember what flavor it was, but it constantly crashed and would trash your HD to the point you had to reimage it. The hardware was pretty shoddy also - my monitor started going out right after the warranty expired. According to the university repair shop, there was an issue where the components would overheat and stuff would start melting on the inside.

Those of you claiming today's Windows or *nix clones are the "worst" have no idea what true pain is.



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31 Dec 2008, 11:49 am

Hmm...

My ''George Bush'' class political android. After my android army failed to forcibly sieze power for me, I started to work on ''Political'' class androids, to take over the world. He malfunctioned though and I wasn't able to repair him, then he managed to establish a collective and take over my ''Dick Cheney'' and ''Tony Blair'' political class androids, and I was powerless!

So yeah, don't use the ''Georhe Bush'' directive...



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31 Dec 2008, 1:33 pm

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Basing opinions based on compatibility & stability I see. Very educated on what you are using. Windows 95 wasn't bad for its time but still [well the same for the good majority of OSe's] needed a good stability push to do anything right.


Thank you for the compliment. I try to base my views on facts and what I can see, as opposed to emotion, which is something alot of people can't do.


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Windows NT was stable but still wasn't consumer friendly & didn't have a lot of driver support. [Like a particular Gateway Docking Station a friend had.] However I would use Windows NT before 95 due to stability & I don't need all those bells, whistles, games, and eyecandy.


I do agree with you that NT was more stable than '95 and if given a choice, I'd have preferred NT, but the hardware support just wasn't there. At the time I was considering switching, I had hardware that was not supported under NT, so I went with '98. I had a printer that didn't have drivers available and a parallel port tape backup drive(which were quite common at the time). There were drivers later released for those items, but a friend of mine who tried the parallel port tape driver said it locked up NT. It was cheper for me to buy '98 then to buy a new printer and tape drive.

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Windows 3.0, You where better off just using MS-DOS & occasionally using DOS-Shell. That was until 1993 when Windows For Workgroups 3.11 came out. Stable, User-Friendly, Great Networking Tools & few compatibility issues. I would say WFW 3.11 was more stability and conherant than 95.[Well it was an enterprise OS.]


I never liked 3.0, but 3.11 wasn't too bad. It ran fine for me and I didn't have problems with it. I wanted to run newer software and everything that was coming out was for '95, so I upgraded.

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Windows 98 & then 2000 was around the time Microsoft got the OS thing down. Stability, Ease-Of-Use, Compatibility, Innovative Features. Oh yes, the greatest thing ever. Windows Update. Before Windows 98 if bought a early version of a certain Windows OS [Like Windows 3.0.] you would have to pay for a upgrade to Windows 3.1 to get some bugs and flaws fixed up. By Win98 all you had to do is use Windows Update from there on.


Of course by then, more people were on the 'net, so that cut the time and cost of distributing updates bigtime.

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Vista itself however was still a beta of another Microsoft Project when it came out. Vista is not too bad but isn't that great either. It was something Microsoft rushed to the board just because its been 5- Years since XP xame out. Windows 7 is going to be so much better.


I hope you are right. There are alot of upset people out there now saying they bought this new OS and it's already being replaced. I plan to run XP for as long as I can. I'm still debating whether or not in the future to build a new system and get the latest Windows, or to try running Ubuntu with Crossover Linux, http://www.codeweavers.com, so I can keep using some of my Windows applications.

I guess my views on Linux are similar to my views on NT, stable operating system, but not quite as consumer friendly as Windows, and not as much hardware support. I also like how in Linux if an application does crash, and it does happen no matter what the Linux gurus an zealots tell you, it doesn't take down the whole OS like in Windows. I've crashed an application in Linux a couple of times and all I had to do was kill it and keep on going. When it happens in Windows, the whole OS goes down with it, or becomes so unstable I have to reboot it to get it working right again.

With Asus now marketing a cheap laptop that runs on Linux, what happens in the OS market in the future will be interesting I'm sure. It won't be boring.


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02 Jan 2009, 2:12 pm

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Basing opinions based on compatibility & stability I see. Very educated on what you are using. Windows 95 wasn't bad for its time but still [well the same for the good majority of OSe's] needed a good stability push to do anything right.


Thank you for the compliment. I try to base my views on facts and what I can see, as opposed to emotion, which is something alot of people can't do.


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Windows NT was stable but still wasn't consumer friendly & didn't have a lot of driver support. [Like a particular Gateway Docking Station a friend had.] However I would use Windows NT before 95 due to stability & I don't need all those bells, whistles, games, and eyecandy.


I do agree with you that NT was more stable than '95 and if given a choice, I'd have preferred NT, but the hardware support just wasn't there. At the time I was considering switching, I had hardware that was not supported under NT, so I went with '98. I had a printer that didn't have drivers available and a parallel port tape backup drive(which were quite common at the time). There were drivers later released for those items, but a friend of mine who tried the parallel port tape driver said it locked up NT. It was cheper for me to buy '98 then to buy a new printer and tape drive.

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Windows 3.0, You where better off just using MS-DOS & occasionally using DOS-Shell. That was until 1993 when Windows For Workgroups 3.11 came out. Stable, User-Friendly, Great Networking Tools & few compatibility issues. I would say WFW 3.11 was more stability and conherant than 95.[Well it was an enterprise OS.]


I never liked 3.0, but 3.11 wasn't too bad. It ran fine for me and I didn't have problems with it. I wanted to run newer software and everything that was coming out was for '95, so I upgraded.

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Windows 98 & then 2000 was around the time Microsoft got the OS thing down. Stability, Ease-Of-Use, Compatibility, Innovative Features. Oh yes, the greatest thing ever. Windows Update. Before Windows 98 if bought a early version of a certain Windows OS [Like Windows 3.0.] you would have to pay for a upgrade to Windows 3.1 to get some bugs and flaws fixed up. By Win98 all you had to do is use Windows Update from there on.


Of course by then, more people were on the 'net, so that cut the time and cost of distributing updates bigtime.

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Vista itself however was still a beta of another Microsoft Project when it came out. Vista is not too bad but isn't that great either. It was something Microsoft rushed to the board just because its been 5- Years since XP xame out. Windows 7 is going to be so much better.


I hope you are right. There are alot of upset people out there now saying they bought this new OS and it's already being replaced. I plan to run XP for as long as I can. I'm still debating whether or not in the future to build a new system and get the latest Windows, or to try running Ubuntu with Crossover Linux, http://www.codeweavers.com, so I can keep using some of my Windows applications.

I guess my views on Linux are similar to my views on NT, stable operating system, but not quite as consumer friendly as Windows, and not as much hardware support. I also like how in Linux if an application does crash, and it does happen no matter what the Linux gurus an zealots tell you, it doesn't take down the whole OS like in Windows. I've crashed an application in Linux a couple of times and all I had to do was kill it and keep on going. When it happens in Windows, the whole OS goes down with it, or becomes so unstable I have to reboot it to get it working right again.

With Asus now marketing a cheap laptop that runs on Linux, what happens in the OS market in the future will be interesting I'm sure. It won't be boring.



If you buy a new computer pr build one ask the OEM Manufacturer or the company the parts came from are compatible with Linux. If so you are in luck.



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02 Jan 2009, 2:17 pm

DeanFoley wrote:
Hmm...

My ''George Bush'' class political android. After my android army failed to forcibly sieze power for me, I started to work on ''Political'' class androids, to take over the world. He malfunctioned though and I wasn't able to repair him, then he managed to establish a collective and take over my ''Dick Cheney'' and ''Tony Blair'' political class androids, and I was powerless!

So yeah, don't use the ''Georhe Bush'' directive...



Actally Tony Blair is not really as Right-Wing as people think. He is actually one of the two men behind the Third-Way Moderate political establishment along with Former-President Bill Clinton.

So here in the U.S Blair will be a Moderate Democrat like Bill & Hiliary Clinton.


However I will leave it at that considering the fact that this is the Computer, Science & Technology Forum.



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04 Jan 2009, 1:54 pm

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Believe it or not Orwell I would have to say Ubuntu is better than Vista.

Now you are beginning to see the power of the dark side...

Or the dork side if you prefer. :P

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However I would not say the same for XP due to the fact that XP was engineered with near perfection.

XP is good. I haven't used it extensively enough to say whether it is better than Ubuntu or not, but it definitely is a very good system. One of its biggest problems is that Microsoft is trying to kill it.

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I never like Macs personally due to the fact that OSX doesn't give too much freedom. I honestly think Macs or overpriced toys. For people just learning how to use a computer.

Yeah, the lack of freedom is my main issue with OSX. If you want to do stuff on your own in a Mac you really have to become a crazy hacker and know some hard-core UNIX stuff. Otherwise, you're stuck with what Apple decides is best.

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Just my pick on the whole thing. Besides, I didn't like how I put a $80 piece of software into a IBook G4 @ school & couldn't eject it out. Macs should have the sliding tray based CD Drives Windows has. At least then CD's won't get stuck and even when you press the particular cd button on keyboard it still won't come out.

My sister managed to do the same with her iBook G4. I'm neutral on the sliding tray vs just putting the CD in, since Apple seems to have manufactured the later ones somewhat better and it's not as much of an issue anymore. But just to nitpick... Windows doesn't have any sliding tray based CD drives... it's just an operating system. Dell, HP, and all the other computer manufacturers may well have sliding CD trays, though.


Oh Orwell, I don't mean Windows PC's but a actually mean IBM-Compatible PC's.



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04 Jan 2009, 1:55 pm

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It`s a round robin tossup between:

Windows ME
Fedora Core 2
Fedora 9
Windows Vista

What's wrong with Fedora? I've never tried it, but I've heard good things about it.

EDIT: I don't think I've really had any crappy OS's. I mean, the old-school Mac OS before they came out with OSX weren't great, but for their time they were OK. I suppose MacOS 9.2 actually never worked properly, and after it failed my family stuck with 9.1 until OSX was introduced.


Fedora Core 2, the mouse and ALSA lib would not configure properly.

Fedora 9 is a bloated pig of an OS that is slowed down immensely by YUM, as well as the very high rescorces that KDE 4.0 uses. You cannot configure packages after system install. --It `s about as much of a pain to use as Win Vista.

--I`ve just installed Ubuntu, and like that much better, oddly enough, as I didn`t particularly like an older version of that distro.



What, Debian



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04 Jan 2009, 2:32 pm

Fedora Core 3 was good, despite the fact that I could never learn UNIX systems.


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04 Jan 2009, 3:09 pm

Do people really have to quote entire posts? I hate when people do that, or if they are the fist to respond, they quote the entire thing so you can read the same thing twice.



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04 Jan 2009, 7:12 pm

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Do people really have to quote entire posts? I hate when people do that, or if they are the fist to respond, they quote the entire thing so you can read the same thing twice.


Keith, they sure do. It's fun to quote an entire post. The longer the post, the better :lol:.

Keith, are you wearing a Faith No More shirt in your avatar? If so, is it the one that has the Angel Dust cover?


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05 Jan 2009, 11:27 pm

Anybody use Windows 1.0, 2.0 or MS-DOS Versions 1-4.



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05 Jan 2009, 11:32 pm

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Anybody use Windows 1.0, 2.0 or MS-DOS Versions 1-4.

Are there (legal) ways of getting those for free? They could be fun to throw in a virtualbox sometime.


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06 Jan 2009, 2:58 pm

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Anybody use Windows 1.0, 2.0 or MS-DOS Versions 1-4.

Are there (legal) ways of getting those for free? They could be fun to throw in a virtualbox sometime.



MS-DOS & Pre-Win95 Windows can be downloaded for free by just doing a Google Search.