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25 Apr 2010, 2:55 am

I wonder from time to time why we're discussing cognitive bias under the heading of Computers, Math, Science and Technology. Never mind, off topic threads are one of the enticing idiosyncrasies of Wrong Planet.

Back to definitions: A cognitive bias is the human tendency to draw incorrect conclusions in certain circumstances based on cognitive factors rather than evidence. (Wikipedia)

So, MrDiamondMind is asking us to examine dialogues for evidence of inaccurate conclusions being drawn by the participants in his dialogues from the evidence presented in those dialogues. Or is he?



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25 Apr 2010, 6:51 am

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I wonder from time to time why we're discussing cognitive bias under the heading of Computers, Math, Science and Technology.

Um, maybe because cognitive biases are studied in the field of psychology... which is a science. :wall:
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Never mind, off topic threads are one of the enticing idiosyncrasies of Wrong Planet.

Wow, thanks for that polite gesture!
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Back to definitions: A cognitive bias is the human tendency to draw incorrect conclusions in certain circumstances based on cognitive factors rather than evidence.

Cool. So now you finally know what it means.
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So, MrDiamondMind is asking us to examine dialogues for evidence of inaccurate conclusions being drawn by the participants in his dialogues from the evidence presented in those dialogues. Or is he?

No, I'm not. What the heck? I don't want you to search for some damn inaccurate conclusions. I only mentioned that Glen is rejecting the conclusion to make it easier to guess the cognitive bias. Glen is flaunting a cognitive bias by rejecting Judith's conclusion for the mere reason that it sounds far-fetched - what freaking cognitive bias is that!
Forget about this thread or comment when you know you've understood. So far you've misunderstood nearly everything. :huh:



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26 Apr 2010, 6:57 am

Is there a name for the cognitive bias that is present when a person asks a question to which they feel there is a single answer, but they are wrong?

E.g. what is the next letter in this sequence:
A, B, C, D,

(Of course, as you all know, the answer is F.)


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26 Apr 2010, 8:21 am

A cognitive bias, in the original Tversky and Kahneman context, is a statistical variation from what is predicted by rational expectation theory. Trying to apply those pictures to individual personal communication situations is like trying to make icecream by frying eggs.



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26 Apr 2010, 8:09 pm

lau wrote:
Is there a name for the cognitive bias that is present when a person asks a question to which they feel there is a single answer, but they are wrong?

E.g. what is the next letter in this sequence:
A, B, C, D,

(Of course, as you all know, the answer is F.)


only if the sequence is a 4.5 point scale with the corresponding GPA scale GPA Description Letter Grade equivalent
4.5 Exceptional A+
4.00 Excellent A
3.50 Very Good B+
3.00 Good B
2.50 Satisfactory C+
2.00 Adequate C
1.00 Marginal D
0.00 Failure F

If we are mentioning the Alphabet, then it is a whole different story. :roll:



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26 Apr 2010, 9:50 pm

lau, the example you gave did not produce an error due to suboptimal/irrational cognitive structures, which is how a cognitive bias emits itself. Your example would fall into the much more general and murky area of cognition called "intelligence"; insufficient and/or inefficient cognitive capacity to discover more precise alternatives.

sinsboldly, I thought the same thing. :P



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27 Apr 2010, 4:35 am

MrDiamondMind wrote:
lau, the example you gave did not produce an error due to suboptimal/irrational cognitive structures, which is how a cognitive bias emits itself. Your example would fall into the much more general and murky area of cognition called "intelligence"; insufficient and/or inefficient cognitive capacity to discover more precise alternatives.

sinsboldly, I thought the same thing. :P

By the section of your reply that I have emboldened, I take it that you did indeed reach the answer I quoted, and moreover, expect the majority of the population to provide that as their answer?

And naturally, the explanation that sinsboldly supplied was not at all the correct reasoning for achieving my specified answer. :)



I'm afraid, MrDiamondMind, that you have entirely missed the point. I was making no comment at all upon intelligence.


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27 Apr 2010, 5:08 am

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OK it is clear now but in this case if you take a look at the sequence in which constructors are called...

A-B-C-E-A-B-C-D-F

suppose I divide this into half

"A-B-C-E" "A-B-C-D-F"

since F is derived from E as well as D

so when the constructor of E is called it should have ueged the F's constructoor too why Only D's constructor proceeded F?

It should have been like this...
"A-B-C-E-F" "A-B-C-D-F "

Finally A-B-C-E-F-A-B-C-D-F
Your split is wrong. Consider it instead as "A B C E", "A B C D", "F".

Look at it this way: in order to construct F, it first constructs E and D, in that order. To construct E, it must construct A, B and C. To construct D, it also constructs A B and C (but different sub-objects than the ones involved in E's construction. So, the construction of F goes: 1) A B C E (construction of the immediate base E), 2) A B C D (construction of the immediate base D), 3) F.


http://programming.itags.org/c-c++/39900/

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03 May 2010, 6:45 am

[tick tock, tick tock]

Since this thread is dead, I might as well post the elusive answer to the haunting riddle. It's Belief Bias. :study:



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03 May 2010, 8:53 am

bump (I like this thread)


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01 Jun 2010, 1:43 am

Name That Cognitive Bias! 3
(Back by popular demand. Not really...)

List Of Cognitive Biases

Judith: Hello Justine. Would you like to test your rationality?
Justine: Sure, when else do I get such a golden opportunity?
Judith: I have a bag here containing fifty marbles. Thirty five of which are red (R) and fifteen that are black (B). Without looking, you will take out ten marbles and the sequence of colors will be recorded. But before you do that, you have to pick one of three sequences that you think is most likely to appear on consecutive withdrawals of marbles, based on color. If the sequence you chose gets actualized, I’ll give you five dollars. If you choose the most rational sequence, I’ll give you five dollars too. Choose between these three:
1. BRBB
2. RBRBB
3. BBRBB
Justine: Hmmm… I guess I’ll go with sequence number two: RBRBB.
Judith: You better hope that sequence appears because you can now only get five dollars at most.
Justine: Huh?

Justine seems to be confused as to why her sequence is not the most rational. She’s confused because she possess a heuristic (like all humans) that gives rise to a certain cognitive bias. Name That Cognitive Bias!



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01 Jun 2010, 4:00 pm

I went to sleep with the hope that when I wake up someone would have named the CB. But no.
Come on folks, I have faith in you. You're not a bunch of loonies, you're all fishermen now. :lol:
(Wonder know if someone will get that reference.)



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02 Jun 2010, 5:39 pm

Is it the conjunction fallacy? It seems a plausible answer for what you are seeking.



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02 Jun 2010, 6:09 pm

Congrats, Awesomelyglorious! :cheers:

For your answer, you may very well be your pseudonym.



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10 Jun 2010, 3:32 am

Oooo, I've met those walking/talking/breathing cognitive bias algorithm generators.

Glen says to Justine, "We have a 26' long python in our living room. Judith doesn't."

Justine, "Yes, Judith is jealous because she doesn't have one. Especially because we do."

Yes, Freud was right. It's python envy of another stripe. And yet another version of cognitive bias. I believe this does fit in Computer, Math, Science, and Tech since logic, Aspie logic, trumps cognitive bias, AND, even better, we can Name That Cognitive Bias! And we know our computer/math/science/tech stuff.

ABCD_WXYZ_AA_BB_CC..............<insert your keystroke here> ((n = 26) - 1)

Case in point: This evening looking at my notes......pH = 6.0 (and therefore weak acid and subsequent dissociation constant is already given). Then, what's [H+]? Well duh, negative inverse log 6.0. Nutty other says, "What assumptions are you making about that acid?" No assumptions needed (and therefore no justification required); it's front-to-back logic.

Ooo, back to original premise: Good Judith doesn't have that 26' long python since she'd probably eat it (knowing she likes exotic foodstuffs and even eats monkey brains). :roll:

No dessert for you tonight, Judith. Oh wait, you don't like sweets anyhow.

EDIT: Hint - it's an attribution error (w/ overlap, left as an exercise for the reader). Bump.


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10 Jun 2010, 3:40 am

Just to spur on Glen and Justine, I bet Judith is a misanthropic Nazi eugenecist with diabetes 8)
So there, you monkey hopping cognitive bias peoples.

Somehow this has all been very cathartic. Feeling better now. I'd have milk and cookies (bedtime), but........nah. Fried rats and monkey brains it is.

Sigh, earning that Dx the hard way at times.


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