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21 Jun 2012, 9:26 pm

Mac's are unimpressive and overpriced.

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22 Jun 2012, 12:28 am

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Mac's are unimpressive and overpriced.

For the hardware you get, they are very overpriced.

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24 Jun 2012, 3:57 pm

I like its design, although there exist many Windows PC alternatives (or just other PC cases) for a lower price.

As for the software, I prefer Windows over Mac OS X because of many reasons, including performance, security, application support, usability, etc.

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I wish you rotsa ruck with your Mac! I'd intended to get one because of their known stability over Windows. I've been using MS products so long it seems almost treasonous to switch. I keep crossing my fingers and hoping that they will come up with a better Windows. I'm currently using Windows 8 Release Preview as we speak. It's rock sold stable so far. My computer is an MSI WindTop AE2420. I changed the harddrive and put in an OCZ SSD one. I would say now that my computer SHOULD have the stability of a Mac.

I'm quite sure Windows, especially Windows 8 is more stable than Mac OS X (I could be wrong). Hardware issues or third party software issues cause 99% of Windows' crashes / BSODs.

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24 Jun 2012, 4:20 pm

Macs are PRware.

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24 Jun 2012, 5:15 pm

Aviator wrote:

redrobin62 wrote:

I'm quite sure Windows, especially Windows 8 is more stable than Mac OS X (I could be wrong). Hardware issues or third party software issues cause 99% of Windows' crashes / BSODs.

I actually don't think I've seen a BSOD in over a year, and then it was because I was developing a driver.

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25 Jun 2012, 7:30 am

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I actually don't think I've seen a BSOD in over a year, and then it was because I was developing a driver.

Same. Haven't had any reboots that weren't caused by me, excessive tabbing in tab-unfriendly full screen applications, or nVidia in a really long time. I hardly ever reboot my laptop.

Edit: Wanted to add, my friend had quite bad luck with his MacBook Pro. Got it about a year ago and had a while where the monitor would die if it got warm. After Apple failing to repair it numerous times they gave him a new instead. The new one he has done a clean install on at least three or four times in less than six months. The Mac fans I talk to all tell me he was really unlucky though. =/

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25 Jun 2012, 9:41 am

Aviator wrote:

I'm quite sure Windows, especially Windows 8 is more stable than Mac OS X (I could be wrong). Hardware issues or third party software issues cause 99% of Windows' crashes / BSODs.

XP and Win2000 were both very stable OS's, and they were reasonably sufficient as long as you took security into account. --The sad fact is, is that most people did not do this, and therefore had problems with it.

One of the problems that Window has is the fact that the userbase is so large, that anybody who wants to make a splashe creating malicious code will focus all of their efforts on Windows, because that's the most effective way to propagate malicious code.

Win8 may perhaps be more stable than OSX, but it still suffers from the same handicap that I have described above, and the fact that there are pre-release copies of it available on the download will ensure that malware coders will have something to play with to ensure that their code runs on the next dominant OS.

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25 Jun 2012, 12:41 pm

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I actually don't think I've seen a BSOD in over a year, and then it was because I was developing a driver.

Apple tends to have thermal issues in their products, but so does HP and HP has a much higher failure rate due to those issues. Apple's build quality is high, as such things go. Of course, in my opinion, every manufacturer makes s**t.

My only serious gripe about MBP's is only two USB ports and no HDMI.

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25 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm

Fogman wrote:

Aviator wrote:

I'm quite sure Windows, especially Windows 8 is more stable than Mac OS X (I could be wrong). Hardware issues or third party software issues cause 99% of Windows' crashes / BSODs.

The goal with Windows is for malicious code to not be able to execute and break things without first passing UAC. As UAC wasn't even present in Win2K or XP, there wasn't much anybody could do anyway except have an antivirus. I'm sure Win8 is going to be closer to that goal, not farther from it.

I suspect some future release of Windows will shift every process into a VM. I would certainly do that if I were designing a new OS from scratch in 2012.

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25 Jun 2012, 2:07 pm

How exactly would that differ from how it's working now? When you shoot out of bounds and get a segmentation fault, isn't that the OS detecting one process is trying to write in another's space?

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25 Jun 2012, 2:49 pm

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How exactly would that differ from how it's working now? When you shoot out of bounds and get a segmentation fault, isn't that the OS detecting one process is trying to write in another's space?

Sorry I meant top level processes, with children existing in the same VM as the parent process.

There are currently lots of things a process can do to manipulate the behavior of other processes in Windows. I believe processes are allowed to post any window message to any window in the system that they wish, for example. A VM puts up walls so high that even bugs in the OS cannot be exploited to impact things outside the individual process's sandbox.

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30 Jun 2012, 8:08 am

I have a MacBook Pro and so far I adore it. This is my first laptop.

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02 Jul 2012, 10:52 am

Hate the things. Their operating system is horrible, and they are obsolete so fast. I also hate the fanboy's who say that macs don't get malware (virus, spyware etc) which is complete bull.

Build a decent specced system, install Windows 7, shove on Microsoft Security Essentials, and you're good to go. Of course i've tweaked a lot more and edited my hosts file, and various registry tweaks, but my system is stable, and is a great Windows machine.

All the crap Microsoft get's is due to the old Windows 9x days, which were prone to crash easily. I've got 98 on an old laptop I set up for old dos games, and it's so easy to crash windows 98, it's not funny.

Windows XP, although good in it's time is now the "windows 2000" or "windows 98" to me. Windows 7 has become the new XP, with great stability, and performance.

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02 Jul 2012, 11:14 am

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:

Shorttail wrote:

How exactly would that differ from how it's working now? When you shoot out of bounds and get a segmentation fault, isn't that the OS detecting one process is trying to write in another's space?

no system is ever completely safe,

wherever there is a requirement for I/O in a specific module there is will be a way to get in there.
since no process can work completely alone either its a given there always will be weaknesses.

also UAC barely works in 7, sure it may take all of the old gunk of the net, some of the newer suff it cant even slow down.
that uis not to say that we shouldnt try but it is entirely unrealistic to expect no malware at all, if nothing else because of human stupidity and trust me, for 90% that use a pc that is what happens in the first place, prompting the need for a better UAC.

that is not to say that i think the system is abad idea or that evolving it is a bad idea, on the contrary, i think its one of the nicer features even for its shortcomings, we simply have to have realistic expecations about it.

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02 Jul 2012, 12:18 pm

Oodain wrote:

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:

Shorttail wrote:

How exactly would that differ from how it's working now? When you shoot out of bounds and get a segmentation fault, isn't that the OS detecting one process is trying to write in another's space?

Of course no system is completely safe. VM sandboxing reduces exposure significantly though. UAC is too wide a target and there will always be some exploits that work against it.

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02 Jul 2012, 12:20 pm

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Mostly agreed, but I'll point out that MS gets crap about Vista as well, which was relatively recent.

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