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19 Jan 2013, 3:12 am

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I can't speak one way or another on the video but I've seen how - on other subjects - just how much people can push under the carpet by discrediting the sources. One good example: to this day people still quite commonly don't believe the outcome of the double-slit experiment, question the intelligence of the experimenters and then all who replicated the result, etc.. Heck I even uttered the same knee-jerk pedestrian responses these people did when I heard it because, even though my comments needed to make scientists bumbling idiots who had no concept of isolating fundamental variables in an experiment, their results just didn't fit anything that I'd come to believe or had been taught was real. Being that it was the one splinter in my heuristic it was much easier to attack it than everything contrary that I'd been taught.


That's strange. Everyone I have ever met who had enough science background to have been familiar with the double split experiment accepts it. I have no doubt that I have met people who would criticize it if they had ever heard of it, but they are generally so ignorant that they are unlikely to ever hear of it.



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19 Jan 2013, 5:33 am

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I can't speak one way or another on the video but I've seen how - on other subjects - just how much people can push under the carpet by discrediting the sources. One good example: to this day people still quite commonly don't believe the outcome of the double-slit experiment, question the intelligence of the experimenters and then all who replicated the result, etc.. Heck I even uttered the same knee-jerk pedestrian responses these people did when I heard it because, even though my comments needed to make scientists bumbling idiots who had no concept of isolating fundamental variables in an experiment, their results just didn't fit anything that I'd come to believe or had been taught was real. Being that it was the one splinter in my heuristic it was much easier to attack it than everything contrary that I'd been taught.


That's strange. Everyone I have ever met who had enough science background to have been familiar with the double split experiment accepts it. I have no doubt that I have met people who would criticize it if they had ever heard of it, but they are generally so ignorant that they are unlikely to ever hear of it.


On first introduction it is so counter intuitive I really struggled to accept it. But then we've never met.



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19 Jan 2013, 5:55 am

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Part of the problem with UFO's is that, especially the light-forms, skip around, carve hard step patterns in the sky when observed, and move in ways which don't obey our laws at all. They even seem to, in the case or colored lights, sort of decay in the sense of not holding shape. It was the famous French researcher from the 60's and 70's Jacques Vallee who was one of the first to suggest two hypothesis from field research: 1) That UFO's are hyper-dimensional in nature and 2) That the world as we know it appears to be a control system of sorts and that these things seem to be either flash anomalies/distortions caused by the fabric of that system or they are direct breaches by the controllers. Its a far out claim but we have increasing numbers of scientists making TOE's that involve a holographic basis to the universe. Obviously his leap from holographic universe to UFO's being an apparatus of the control system is radical but the holographic basis seems to be losing its fringiness a bit lately. While many researchers are still just dreamy and starry-eyed about it all there's a strong enough contingent who believes that there's a significantly darker side to the phenomena, particularly those who full-on believe that these are the 'watchers' or B'nai Elohim of both Genesis and the book of Enoch.

Again, that's not to claim they're right, just to reiterate that it's part-in-parcel with the dialog around this stuff.


A scientist named Bob Lazar worked with craft allegedly obtained by the US military allegedly from the Zeta Reticuli star system. He was involved in research into the motive propulsion of one specimen.
Working something along the lines of microwaves ( he said ) they emit what he called 'gravitational waves' through three discharge units in the base of the craft.
The only partially understood science reported was that the field around these craft is analogous a gyroscope, they create their own space-time bubble around them.
The ET pilots of the craft enduring 90 degree turns a 20,000 MPH say, were said to experience no G forces on their bodies. It was as if to the extraterrestrial pilots the outside world was moving around them while they stayed perfectly still.
Warping distortions often reported on the outside of craft by stationary observers attest to this anomalous 'bending' of time and space.



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19 Jan 2013, 5:59 am

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A UFO is anything that was unidentified. If you don't know what it is, then it is unidentified. So yes, they are real.
This. As to whether any of them are from another world or another dimension, I have no idea. But it is a topic that has fascinated me for a long time.


Zeta-reticuans are from another dimention.
Sassanis are from another dimention.
The Shalania are from another dimention.



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19 Jan 2013, 8:48 am

ripped wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
A UFO is anything that was unidentified. If you don't know what it is, then it is unidentified. So yes, they are real.
This. As to whether any of them are from another world or another dimension, I have no idea. But it is a topic that has fascinated me for a long time.


Zeta-reticuans are from another dimention.
Sassanis are from another dimention.
The Shalania are from another dimention.


No theyre not!

Zeti-reliculans are from the Zeti-reticula star system.
You hockey puck!
Just like Pliedians are from the Pliedian Star Cluster, and Martians are from Mars, and Nebraskans are from Nebraska!

Isnt that why they are all so-called?

Lol!


There are other alien races that a classified by their appearance rather than by their place of origin.

Lessee..

There are the Greys, the Reptoids, the Nordics, and... I forget... there are several others.

They might be "interdimensional".

Or maybe they are all just "dementia- nal"!



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19 Jan 2013, 10:06 am

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A scientist named Bob Lazar worked with craft allegedly obtained by the US military allegedly from the Zeta Reticuli star system. He was involved in research into the motive propulsion of one specimen.
Working something along the lines of microwaves ( he said ) they emit what he called 'gravitational waves' through three discharge units in the base of the craft.
The only partially understood science reported was that the field around these craft is analogous a gyroscope, they create their own space-time bubble around them.
The ET pilots of the craft enduring 90 degree turns a 20,000 MPH say, were said to experience no G forces on their bodies. It was as if to the extraterrestrial pilots the outside world was moving around them while they stayed perfectly still.
Warping distortions often reported on the outside of craft by stationary observers attest to this anomalous 'bending' of time and space.

Wait, is that Skunkworks @ Lockheed or am I thinking of something else?



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19 Jan 2013, 10:09 am

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No theyre not!

Zeti-reliculans are from the Zeti-reticula star system.
You hockey puck!
Just like Pliedians are from the Pliedian Star Cluster, and Martians are from Mars, and Nebraskans are from Nebraska!

Isnt that why they are all so-called?

If I understand right the claim is both. I'm sure we're not going besmirch or rule out the existence of our lovely and congenial extra-dimensional Nebraskans if we look at it from that perspective. :)



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19 Jan 2013, 11:08 am

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When people ask for extraordinary proof what they really seem to mean is mainstream acceptance
Not me in this case.
I am just seeking any form of basic supporting evidence for the assertion that this was a broadcast from some alien being, beyond 'People say it is', or 'It might be', and a rather silly B-movie "portentous voice" effect - but the proponents of that idea don't seem interested and I am expected to take the whole thing seriously as-is.
Not gonna happen, because what's presented so far is and has been exposed as fakery and idiotic fantasy.
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I can't speak one way or another on the video but I've seen how - on other subjects - just how much people can push under the carpet by discrediting the sources.
In this case the so-called source discredits itself on many levels. It needs no further help to be seen as the utter crap it is.


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19 Jan 2013, 12:51 pm

One genuine sample, one artifact that is clearly of non human, non terrestrial origin, would end many arguments. So far no such evidence has ever been found by anyone. It would be really neat to see an alien non-earthly artifact. It would prove there is intelligent life Elsewhere and give our space programs a major league boost.

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19 Jan 2013, 1:30 pm

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One genuine sample, one artifact that is clearly of non human, non terrestrial origin, would end many arguments. So far no such evidence has ever been found by anyone. It would be really neat to see an alien non-earthly artifact. It would prove there is intelligent life Elsewhere and give our space programs a major league boost. ruveyn

A pyramid-shaped starship hovering over Cheyenne Mountain might do the trick.

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19 Jan 2013, 2:18 pm

Cornflake wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
When people ask for extraordinary proof what they really seem to mean is mainstream acceptance
Not me in this case.
I am just seeking any form of basic supporting evidence for the assertion that this was a broadcast from some alien being, beyond 'People say it is', or 'It might be', and a rather silly B-movie "portentous voice" effect - but the proponents of that idea don't seem interested and I am expected to take the whole thing seriously as-is.
Not gonna happen, because what's presented so far is and has been exposed as fakery and idiotic fantasy.
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I can't speak one way or another on the video but I've seen how - on other subjects - just how much people can push under the carpet by discrediting the sources.
In this case the so-called source discredits itself on many levels. It needs no further help to be seen as the utter crap it is.

That's part of why I wouldn't speak to this particular case - ie. I don't know it and I can't verify its veracity. Its not to say that you're wrong on any charge, I'm just telling him to be prepared for the kind of reactions he'll get from offering anything that cuts against the grain just so shock and disappointment don't have their way with him so much. It at least seemed like he was taking a few threads to heart and I hate seeing people make the mistake of doing that to themselves.



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19 Jan 2013, 2:22 pm

ripped wrote:
BlueAbyss wrote:
eric76 wrote:
A UFO is anything that was unidentified. If you don't know what it is, then it is unidentified. So yes, they are real.
This. As to whether any of them are from another world or another dimension, I have no idea. But it is a topic that has fascinated me for a long time.


Zeta-reticuans are from another dimention.
Sassanis are from another dimention.
The Shalania are from another dimention.

You saying that is supposed to convince me? Oh, well I guess it's settled then. NOT.


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19 Jan 2013, 2:30 pm

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You saying that is supposed to convince me? Oh, well I guess it's settled then. NOT.

Jacques Vallee and some of the other researchers of his corner might make a more thorough case in this regard. This is one of the problems with trying to persuade with quips on the internet - it doesn't lend itself readily to sources cited or review of fieldwork.



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19 Jan 2013, 5:16 pm

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Part of the problem with UFO's is that, especially the light-forms, skip around, carve hard step patterns in the sky when observed, and move in ways which don't obey our laws at all. They even seem to, in the case or colored lights, sort of decay in the sense of not holding shape. It was the famous French researcher from the 60's and 70's Jacques Vallee who was one of the first to suggest two hypothesis from field research: 1) That UFO's are hyper-dimensional in nature and 2) That the world as we know it appears to be a control system of sorts and that these things seem to be either flash anomalies/distortions caused by the fabric of that system or they are direct breaches by the controllers. Its a far out claim but we have increasing numbers of scientists making TOE's that involve a holographic basis to the universe. Obviously his leap from holographic universe to UFO's being an apparatus of the control system is radical but the holographic basis seems to be losing its fringiness a bit lately. While many researchers are still just dreamy and starry-eyed about it all there's a strong enough contingent who believes that there's a significantly darker side to the phenomena, particularly those who full-on believe that these are the 'watchers' or B'nai Elohim of both Genesis and the book of Enoch.

Again, that's not to claim they're right, just to reiterate that it's part-in-parcel with the dialog around this stuff.


A scientist named Bob Lazar worked with craft allegedly obtained by the US military allegedly from the Zeta Reticuli star system. He was involved in research into the motive propulsion of one specimen.
Working something along the lines of microwaves ( he said ) they emit what he called 'gravitational waves' through three discharge units in the base of the craft.
The only partially understood science reported was that the field around these craft is analogous a gyroscope, they create their own space-time bubble around them.
The ET pilots of the craft enduring 90 degree turns a 20,000 MPH say, were said to experience no G forces on their bodies. It was as if to the extraterrestrial pilots the outside world was moving around them while they stayed perfectly still.
Warping distortions often reported on the outside of craft by stationary observers attest to this anomalous 'bending' of time and space.


Lazar has no scientific credibility at all. About all that we know for sure is that he does not have the scientific background that he claims. There is no evidence of his so-called scientific background or that he ever worked at Groom Lake. It's pathetic how many people are gullible enough to actually believe his lies.

On the other hand, he apparently does have reliable knowledge about prostitution -- he and his wife reportedly used to own a brothel.



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19 Jan 2013, 7:20 pm

Eric Eric Eric!
Do you really believe a top clearance scientist can go public and then have the institutions he worked for actually back him up?



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19 Jan 2013, 8:10 pm

(sorry, I'm on a roll ... making hoax UFO images is too much fun)

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