what was there before the universe existed?

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It converts binary to ASCII. My point is, if the universe is written in binary, ASCII's probably not what we'd want to convert the binary to for it to make any sense. ASCII is just as arbitrary as any other binary-to-alphanumeric conversion. Probably no carriage return, line feed, or smiley face in the universe's language, either.

Last edited by Jameson on 25 Feb 2007, 7:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

God used EBCDIC.

If Hebrew and Greek have any holy value than He/She/It at least uses some form of Unicode.

Mathematics, from chirality to probability, forms the very foundations of our universe; it is not so much an abstraction but a meta-function, a series of laws to be continuously defined by [conscious] action; it is a reality insomuch as we are a reality.

We may observe CP violation and chirality in weak-decays for example, and this is empirically derived evidence. The very foundations of these laws are mathematical, from spontaneous symmetry breaking, to tessellations and Julia sets. Such laws are not arbitrary or subjective, they remain constant throughout all conditions until an event is defined that enables the condition to be changed, in which case, a new set of laws are formed (as in the case of quantum mechanics).

If one were to describe the universe as a form of computational device (a model to which it accurately conforms) then one may observe that all information is derived form a source, but creates mass in a time-bound event through the communication of [gauge] fields of differing frequency. Such fields form domains which in turn form systems. Rather simplistically, one may deduce that all energy is originally derived from a supersymmetric distribution, and that such a meta-system engineer’s probability [or lays the foundations of our reality through mathematical laws].

If this is the case, then the universe is a form of quantum computer, using particle-like field-domains (quanta) as q-bits to define its systems.

i think space and time always existed. that is, space being the lack of stuff. and time being the ratio between distance and speed objects move apart/towards each other.
ex: 2 systems of 2 objects of equal distance apart. one object in 1 system is moving towards the other object in the same system at a faster rate than the same object of the other system. this difference is 'time'.
so i think the big bang goes off, then all the mass/energy/w.e of the universe is forced out, and set in motion. its own gravity slowly slows it down, and then becomes to contract back to the origin. all the mass/energy/w.e is all squished together by its own gravity, until ALL the mass/energy of the universe is condenses back to a singularity, where it then explodes again, big bang number 2. then number 3 happens, number 4, etc...
i have a theory right now, we are on big bang number (lim n->oo). so it doesn't matter how many times it has already happened, or has yet to happen.
so yeah, put that in ur pipe and smoke it. that being, marijuana, the inspiration of all my theories

what does a 12 year old understand about 10 dim theories, or the even more complicated 11 dim theory?
no offense to you, but do you understand the math of dimensions? i had an idea of it when i was your age, but i didn't understand it to the point i could work out problems with multiple dimensions on paper using real math.

also you mentioned anything is possible if you find the right one. probability is defined by the ratio between the desired events and the possible events. there can be an infinite amount of possible events, but still some impossible ones. do you understand the concept of infinity? you could have an infinite amount of balls, and not one of them be a red ball.

also do you know where the theory for the "multi-verse" came from? some jackass said "how can this all be random, when constants like G are such weird values, but need to be that exact value for stars and solar systems and planets to form? there must be a God." that is a huge flaw in reasoning.
the multi-verse was to say there could be 1 000 000s of universes all with different values for these constants, in ours, planets form; in another, something else may form.
its an interesting idea, but where would these other universes "be"? what about them defines the gravitational constant of the universe?
i think if we fully understood gravity, we would see it come from something that would then seem simple to us. like how the speed of light was measured and thought to be some random speed. then later it was calculated as the speed electric and magnetic waves can support each other. so now it makes sense why the speed of light is the speed of light.

-Iv'e actually got a theory on that one.

I think I have named it Geometrical Informatics....

Postualtes:
-before there was existence ther was no existence.
-Existance only exists with more than one entity.
-For dimension to be defined at least three entities must exist.
-When only two entities exist, spatial organisation doesn't
-At least 4 entities need to exist to define distance/time - 3 as the reference piont and 1 that can be refereed to (arguably 6 pionts instead of 4)
-Space is a direct result of information being organised, and aware of each others existence.

ie.

0001 - useless single entity

1 1 - they know of each others existence but can only see each other - they haven't been able to define thier environment.

1 1 1 - same as above except now they can draw a triangle

111 1(or 3 * 1) - they can move about around each other, each one has defined a triangle, so in effect two triangles are needed to define distance between each piont.

000101011101010100001001010001001010010100101010101 - space is defined by the organisation of entities into relating interaction. (information is only information if it describes something)

-Reading alot on informatics is a very interesting subject.

you are all wrong there was a giant cheese before the universe existed!! !!

on a serious note, if the big bang began time itself than time would of not existed "before" the universe began. it would be like getting to a temperature below absolute zero. The concept of A dimensionless space (nothing) would be incomprehensible for anyone.
IMO not enough is know about space, matter and most importantly time to understand the origin of the universe.

Yeah. I believe there was a universe before this one which died, and there was nothing until 2 sparks were created to form the big bang. Before, that universe must of been another one. Kind of like a paradox.

yeah, that was pretty obvious (assuming ur thing is true, i don't understand it yet- so i don't blindly believe it)

Nothing lasts forever, or does it?

please forgive me for holding on to superficial values,
for one, nothing lasts forever unless forever is an infinite value,

please consider all the infinite universe to contain an infinite number of universes,
or, infinite values.

eventually some of those values,
just like our computers,
will eventually through electromagnetic values,
be able to contemplate and feel and think for its self,
like an infinite creation of computer chips, eventually one will be able to compute for its self,

in the beginning their was god,
and god word was law, because it knew nothing else,

well hell, where did god come from and gain his perfect knowledge in the first place,
even GOD must have a beginning and source to learn ANYTHING.,

the way I see it each BIG BANG regenerates its self, recycles its self, like a big brain cell,
if it finds its self not functional it recycles its self,

if one of these big brain cells is intelligent and then works with its self to improve its health then it would try and improve its own well being and existence and recycle the parts that do not function right, then try and recycle the ones that do not function right in a way that would function right,
and knowing a random value could improve its self let nature to some degree let it make something new of its self.

even if their was no god consciousness,
we are still left with improving our own awareness for the good of the whole.

It seems a little difficult to imagine a multidimensional being who has total freedom in at least five dimensions. We flat-landers have freedom in two, temporary freedom in a third and no freedom in a fourth. And some of us have a very little freedom in the fifth (spiritual) dimension. Our limited experience keeps us from understanding the creator.

This allows for an omnipresent, invisible god. This also explains One aspect of God to be at one place & time while another aspect of God is at the same place & time. This explains how it is possible for God to be with each person simultaneously. As well as any other life forms elsewhere in the universe. It also explains prayers being answered before they are even uttered.

There was trout just floating around in empty space.

maybe god is the result of the universe, and outside of time; so is also present in the universe, to cause the universe.

Heavy.

Do not confuse cause and effect. The primordial star/singularity (or 'God' if you will) cannot be the result of a process, only the cause (assuming that the very definition of 'God' is a quantum system that is omnipresent and omnipotent).


A note to keyblade.

Keyblade wrote: "I don’t suppose any of you knew that" (with regards to theory). Do remember that we are all intelligent individuals, and some of us may be physicists.

A note to others.

I began my degree at fourteen so it is quite possible that Keyblade might understand some of the theory behind what he expresses, yet fails to express it well due to underdeveloped communication skills.