The End Days are Here...MS to sell it's own Linux distro

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07 Oct 2015, 12:22 pm

hmmm... I see no problem with MS using linux for server stuff, but if they ever make a actual desktop operating system using linux... it will truly be end times.


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08 Oct 2015, 12:38 pm

brandonb1312 wrote:
hmmm... I see no problem with MS using linux for server stuff, but if they ever make a actual desktop operating system using linux... it will truly be end times.


Why?

End times for whom? People choose the GUI they want. By virtue of supporting linux, they can't kill the project.

Some people are using linux for the window managers GUI, but I suspect most are using linux for the operating system itself.



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09 Oct 2015, 8:39 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
I doubt it. You have to consider what Linux is primarily used for, not just PCs. Besides, linux will evolve into something else.


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I dunno...not too many IIS webservers out there, LAMP is still pretty dominant. Attached to this are all the developers for said sites. And massive amounts of embedded gear use the linux kernel and some subset of GNU & other utilities. Linux has never actually been popular on the desktop - except again, in embedded desktops. The percent varies but stays pretty much limited to developers & hobbyists.

Something to keep in mind is that quite a few mobile devices run Android, a Linux variant. And although Linux != BSD, both are posix-ish and that family would also include iOS.

Meanwhile, Windows is limited to...a number of failed phones & portable devices and a shrinking number of home and business PC's. The home market has been heavily eroded by gaming consoles + phones/tablets/phablets and the business one by...Linux.


I don’t know much about servers, so I suppose you both are right, but my impression was that Windows is slowly but steadily gaining ground there, too, while Linux has only grown at the expense of proprietary Unix systems.

I’m not sure business Windows desktops and laptops are disappearing any time soon.


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09 Oct 2015, 8:42 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Windows rules the consumer PC/Laptop
Linux rules the server level and enterprise/consumer appliances (DVD players, the majority of routers...etc)
Android and iOS rule the mobile


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09 Oct 2015, 8:42 pm

But that’s not the whole story. Linux has always been a tiny minority on the desktop, but it used to be acknowledged, and even there seemed to be some hope that it would become mainstream. A few years ago, noöne seriously argued it was dead. Now they do, and it seems to be the general consensus. If it’s considered officially dead, it’ll become harder and harder to start using it, and then to even know it exists, or it once existed. If almost everyone uses only proprietary operating systems, and doesn’t know there is an alternative, no need will be felt for free standards, so more and more everyday tasks will become impossible to do with free software thanks to patents and other impediments, and more and more hardware will be deliberately impossible to use with any operating system other than the mainstream, proprietary ones chosen by the vendor.

Personal computers traditionally let the user install the operating system they want, but this hole is being plugged now, making them more like mobile phones, for which this was never the case. If Linux is considered to be already dead on the desktop, there won’t be any resistance to making it impossible for the user to change the operating system a desktop or laptop computer is running in the near future, and then the Linux desktop will be truly dead and gone forever. Everyone will accept as a fact of life that the operating system is part of the package they buy with the machine, and its inner workings are meant to be secret, programming being an arcane subject with a costly barrier to entry, reserved to those who devote their life to it, and, even so, to be done only on top of a black box someone else owns. Oh, and the need for anti-malware will never be questioned.


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09 Oct 2015, 8:43 pm

Sorry for the multiple posts, but the captcha wouldn’t let through any larger pieces, especially those with quotations.


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09 Oct 2015, 9:46 pm

Public web servers:
As of this month, Apache was @56%, IIS@13%, nginx@25% (like Apache it is relatively cross platform)

http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/web_server/all

Underlying OS for said web servers:
Digging around a bit, they also report all forms of Linux on public web servers@ 68%, Windows @32%


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09 Oct 2015, 10:20 pm

Doesn't anyone around here remember when Microsoft had its own UNIX-like operating system called Xenix? IIRC, some of MS's servers still run Xenix, since NT Server still isn't very stable for heavy use.



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10 Oct 2015, 1:05 am

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Doesn't anyone around here remember when Microsoft had its own UNIX-like operating system called Xenix? IIRC, some of MS's servers still run Xenix, since NT Server still isn't very stable for heavy use.

"Microsoft announces Microsoft Xenix OS, a portable operating system for 16-bit microprocessors. It is an interactive, multiuser, multitasking system that will run on Intel 8086, Zilog Z8000, Motorola M68000, and DEC PDP-11 series. All of Microsoft's existing system software (Cobol, Pascal, Basic, and DBMS) will be adapted to run under the Xenix system, and all existing software written for Unix OS will be compatible as well. "

--from a Microsoft press release, 1980

The story is actually pretty amazing/twisted. I never knew SCO was VC'd by Microsoft
For computing history buffs:
http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torv ... unix.shtml


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12 Oct 2015, 5:28 am

But the real question is, is this GNU/Linux, or is Microsoft simply using Linux as a kernel, a la Android?



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12 Oct 2015, 11:59 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
But the real question is, is this GNU/Linux, or is Microsoft simply using Linux as a kernel, a la Android?

Considering how integrated (ie linked) firmware is typically, that is an excellent and very pertinent question...


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12 Oct 2015, 12:06 pm

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That's surprising, even if it is server level.


Azure backend was using Linux in-house before it was released as a hosting perk, and you didn't learn that from me. This seems sparsely differentiated from Amazon AWS. I wouldn't be at all surprised though if Microsoft's stake in Cyanogen inc. exerts considerable influence over the hardware abstraction & DOS/NT side of windows. RT was a trainwreck I expected shrapnel from, maybe we'll see that soon.


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12 Oct 2015, 12:10 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
But the real question is, is this GNU/Linux, or is Microsoft simply using Linux as a kernel, a la Android?

Considering how integrated (ie linked) firmware is typically, that is an excellent and very pertinent question...


M$ server never was very friendly to custom load-balancing... Microsoft has replicated the modern kernel's virtual memory compression but they still lean heavily on hardware to do so.


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12 Oct 2015, 3:09 pm

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Hmm...and
If Linux has compatibility that could run any games like window does,
billions of gamers would not need to use window in the first place..IMO =)


The problem is not with Linux compatibility with running games. It's the games industry that should port games to Linux, like they do for Mac and any other platform that they want their games on, not the other way round and they will only do that if they believe there's a market for it. Some have already suggested that they might support Linux as a platform and there are at least a few Linux ports of games available.


Even still, from what I've seen the runtimes are improving by leaps & bounds, along with their bindings to intel 3D graphics. My Fedora 22 netbook runs Sketchup admirably and I've even been able to study Autodesk files on there.


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17 Oct 2015, 7:50 am

Not only was Linux essentially never proclaimed dead a few years ago; it was also very rare to hear or read someone claiming it was overall worse than MS Windows, let alone less secure. Now these claims seem to be much more common than their opposites. Furthermore, the world seems to have accepted that security through obscurity is good and leaving the source code accessible to anyone is nothing but a liability.

Free software, like science, had the potential to improve our lives drastically, but it appears to have been defeated by sheer might, like a little bully smashes his nerdy peer’s brain in time to prevent him from growing up into a brilliant scientist.


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17 Oct 2015, 5:23 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
Not only was Linux essentially never proclaimed dead a few years ago; it was also very rare to hear or read someone claiming it was overall worse than MS Windows, let alone less secure. Now these claims seem to be much more common than their opposites. Furthermore, the world seems to have accepted that security through obscurity is good and leaving the source code accessible to anyone is nothing but a liability.

Free software, like science, had the potential to improve our lives drastically, but it appears to have been defeated by sheer might, like a little bully smashes his nerdy peer’s brain in time to prevent him from growing up into a brilliant scientist.


It's been a two-pronged attack, really. MS has engaged in a long term media sales campaign (pro-MS/anti-OSS) while simultaneously ensuring that entire areas of criticism are not mentioned via cease-and-desist letters. Their army of attorneys is legendary for this.


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