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21 Oct 2015, 5:18 pm

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1337.

Its become slang for "elite" because if you turn it upside down its spells "LEET".

And 1337 (im pretty sure, if I am not mistaken) is also a prime number. And being prime makes it a "LEET" number to mathematicians.


You are mistaken. 1337 is not a prime number.

1337=7x191

31,3337 is a prime though.


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21 Oct 2015, 5:41 pm

99 + 666 + 5 + 8888 = 9658



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21 Oct 2015, 6:19 pm

Avogadro constant, or 6.022 x 10^23 (or 602 sextillion and 200 quintillion). It's used in chemistry to represent the amount of atoms or molecules in one mole (which, in turn, is used to determine how many atoms/molecules are in one gram), so that's cool. :D



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21 Oct 2015, 10:27 pm

Google is named after the number "google". Which is 10 to the power of 100. And ten raised to the power of the google is a "googleplex". Even the google is large. The number of atoms in the known universe (at least in the 1969 book I read) is 10 to the 85th. So a google is a thousand trillion times the number of atoms in the universe.

(thats the American trillion. which is a million million. Not the larger British trillion).



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22 Oct 2015, 6:31 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Google is named after the number "google". Which is 10 to the power of 100. And ten raised to the power of the google is a "googleplex". Even the google is large. The number of atoms in the known universe (at least in the 1969 book I read) is 10 to the 85th. So a google is a thousand trillion times the number of atoms in the universe.

(thats the American trillion. which is a million million. Not the larger British trillion).


It is actually spelled Googol. The mathematician wanted a name for 10^100 so he asked his child, he said "googol".


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22 Oct 2015, 9:18 am

Rudin wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
1337.

Its become slang for "elite" because if you turn it upside down its spells "LEET".

And 1337 (im pretty sure, if I am not mistaken) is also a prime number. And being prime makes it a "LEET" number to mathematicians.


You are mistaken. 1337 is not a prime number.

1337=7x191

31,3337 is a prime though.


Well...I was close. its the product of two primaries. So its only a secondary number.

What did you do?

Sit down at your calculator and just start with two, and divide each number into 1337 until you got to seven?



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22 Oct 2015, 6:39 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Rudin wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
1337.

Its become slang for "elite" because if you turn it upside down its spells "LEET".

And 1337 (im pretty sure, if I am not mistaken) is also a prime number. And being prime makes it a "LEET" number to mathematicians.


You are mistaken. 1337 is not a prime number.

1337=7x191

31,3337 is a prime though.


Well...I was close. its the product of two primaries. So its only a secondary number.

What did you do?

Sit down at your calculator and just start with two, and divide each number into 1337 until you got to seven?


No I looked at a list of prime numbers up to 10,000, 1337 wasn't on there.

I went on Wolfram Alpha and typed in the command 'prime factorize 1337' it gave me 7 and 191. I multiplied those together to verify the result.


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23 Oct 2015, 11:18 am

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Aleph-null : the cardinality of the set of natural numbers.
A cardinality is like the "number of elements in the set". For any set of finite cardinality, adding an element generates a set with a larger cardinality. {} has cardinality zero, while {a} has cardinality of one.

Aleph-null is the cardinality of the set of positive integers. As an infinite cardinal , it has some interesting properties.
One interesting property is that aleph-null + 1 =aleph-null , adding one element to an infinite set, or even a countably infinite number of elements to the set, does not change the cardinality of the set. So the set of even numbers , the set of all rational numbers, and the set of integers are of the same size. One set that is guartanteed to be larger than a given infinite set is the set of all subsets of the set.

Another interesting property of infinite cardinals is the continuum hypothesis. The generalized continuum hypothesis states that there is no set with cardinality between the that of an infinite set and the set of all subsets of of that set. It would imply that there is no set with cardinality between that of the natural numbers and that of the real numbers. This would make sense but has never been proven. And more interestingly, not only has this never been proven- but its also been shown to be independent of ZFC axiomatic set theory. This means that both the hypothesis and its negation are equally "valid " in ZFC- there is no way to construct a set in ZFC that you can prove has an intermediate cardinality, but you can't prove that there is no set with such an intermediate cardinality either.


The set of algebraic reals is surprisingly equivalent to the integers, but much, much more dense.


You're only 12 and you understand about denseness, countability, and algebraic numbers? You must be a genius.



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23 Oct 2015, 2:18 pm

GoofyGreatDane wrote:
Rudin wrote:
GoofyGreatDane wrote:
Aleph-null : the cardinality of the set of natural numbers.
A cardinality is like the "number of elements in the set". For any set of finite cardinality, adding an element generates a set with a larger cardinality. {} has cardinality zero, while {a} has cardinality of one.

Aleph-null is the cardinality of the set of positive integers. As an infinite cardinal , it has some interesting properties.
One interesting property is that aleph-null + 1 =aleph-null , adding one element to an infinite set, or even a countably infinite number of elements to the set, does not change the cardinality of the set. So the set of even numbers , the set of all rational numbers, and the set of integers are of the same size. One set that is guartanteed to be larger than a given infinite set is the set of all subsets of the set.

Another interesting property of infinite cardinals is the continuum hypothesis. The generalized continuum hypothesis states that there is no set with cardinality between the that of an infinite set and the set of all subsets of of that set. It would imply that there is no set with cardinality between that of the natural numbers and that of the real numbers. This would make sense but has never been proven. And more interestingly, not only has this never been proven- but its also been shown to be independent of ZFC axiomatic set theory. This means that both the hypothesis and its negation are equally "valid " in ZFC- there is no way to construct a set in ZFC that you can prove has an intermediate cardinality, but you can't prove that there is no set with such an intermediate cardinality either.


The set of algebraic reals is surprisingly equivalent to the integers, but much, much more dense.


You're only 12 and you understand about denseness, countability, and algebraic numbers? You must be a genius.


Rudin is very impressive, I agree. :D
Most 12 year olds wouldn't understand even 1% of what Rudin does.



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23 Oct 2015, 3:49 pm

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GoofyGreatDane wrote:
Rudin wrote:
GoofyGreatDane wrote:
Aleph-null : the cardinality of the set of natural numbers.
A cardinality is like the "number of elements in the set". For any set of finite cardinality, adding an element generates a set with a larger cardinality. {} has cardinality zero, while {a} has cardinality of one.

Aleph-null is the cardinality of the set of positive integers. As an infinite cardinal , it has some interesting properties.
One interesting property is that aleph-null + 1 =aleph-null , adding one element to an infinite set, or even a countably infinite number of elements to the set, does not change the cardinality of the set. So the set of even numbers , the set of all rational numbers, and the set of integers are of the same size. One set that is guartanteed to be larger than a given infinite set is the set of all subsets of the set.

Another interesting property of infinite cardinals is the continuum hypothesis. The generalized continuum hypothesis states that there is no set with cardinality between the that of an infinite set and the set of all subsets of of that set. It would imply that there is no set with cardinality between that of the natural numbers and that of the real numbers. This would make sense but has never been proven. And more interestingly, not only has this never been proven- but its also been shown to be independent of ZFC axiomatic set theory. This means that both the hypothesis and its negation are equally "valid " in ZFC- there is no way to construct a set in ZFC that you can prove has an intermediate cardinality, but you can't prove that there is no set with such an intermediate cardinality either.


The set of algebraic reals is surprisingly equivalent to the integers, but much, much more dense.


You're only 12 and you understand about denseness, countability, and algebraic numbers? You must be a genius.


Rudin is very impressive, I agree. :D
Most 12 year olds wouldn't understand even 1% of what Rudin does.


Thank you. I appreciate it.


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23 Oct 2015, 4:01 pm

I am no Gauss though, he is by far more impressive.

At the age of 15 he came up with an estimate for the number of primes less than a given quantity. At the age of 10 he came up with a way to calculate the sum of positive integers up to a given number.


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24 Oct 2015, 1:51 am

j - without it I wouldnt be able to do my job



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24 Oct 2015, 7:43 am

Quaternions are very fascinating.


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24 Oct 2015, 3:02 pm

Another cool transcendental number is the Feigenbaum constant...

4.669201609102990671853203821578...

It was discovered relatively recently in 1978.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feigenbaum_constants



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24 Oct 2015, 3:10 pm

Apparently the Feigenbaum constant hasn't yet been proven to be transcendental (though it most likely is). Also, no closed form representation involving other known transcendental numbers has been found. Nor has a closed form infinite series been found.



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24 Oct 2015, 3:41 pm

marshall wrote:
Apparently the Feigenbaum constant hasn't yet been proven to be transcendental (though it most likely is). Also, no closed form representation involving other known transcendental numbers has been found. Nor has a closed form infinite series been found.


I don't think it has even been proved to be transcendental.


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