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05 Dec 2008, 8:48 pm

I'm on vista right now, it's alright. I got it only because Microsoft had a free gift program, and I got vista out of it. I tried it on my new Macbook, but the thing hang, and was total s**t at working. It works kinda okay on my PC, it hangs a lot, but at least I don't have to occupy valuable space on my MacBook.

I like OS X Leopard. I do have some complaints about it, but nothing is perfect. I just wish I worked out Apple so I could fix every one of their GUI mistakes (I'm obsessive about UI standards.)



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05 Dec 2008, 9:07 pm

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I like OS X Leopard. I do have some complaints about it, but nothing is perfect. I just wish I worked out Apple so I could fix every one of their GUI mistakes (I'm obsessive about UI standards.)

You can use MacPorts or Fink to install an X desktop environment or window manager, thus bypassing the Mac GUI. It is more difficult than doing similar things in Linux, but it can be done and at the end you could end up with the clean, wonderful UI that is GNOME. Or KDE, or IceWM, Metacity, Fluxbox, E17... whatever you want, really.


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05 Dec 2008, 9:43 pm

I'm interested to know if one could install Gnome on Vista with no danger of wreaking the system... It would solve one of by big issues with Vista...



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06 Dec 2008, 1:05 am

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I'm interested to know if one could install Gnome on Vista with no danger of wreaking the system... It would solve one of by big issues with Vista...


I looked into it too. All I found was 'coming soon'. I think you'd want to switch to a file system that supports better options for permissions, but that sounds like "break windows" to me.


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06 Dec 2008, 3:34 am

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I'm interested to know if one could install Gnome on Vista with no danger of wreaking the system... It would solve one of by big issues with Vista...


I looked into it too. All I found was 'coming soon'. I think you'd want to switch to a file system that supports better options for permissions, but that sounds like "break windows" to me.

No, you can't. There is supposedly KDE on Windows, but from what I've seen it's just the ability to run KDE programs on Windows, rather than actually having the Linux UI on Windows. OS X is based on UNIX and has the X Window system, so it can use many of the same things Linux does.


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06 Dec 2008, 3:59 am

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About customization, You can customize windows in many different ways. You can customize appearence, performence, certain features & so-on. Like in Windows XP you can turn the Start Button on the Start Menu to say just about anything just by using registry editor. If you know even a little about Visual Basic [There is a wealth of tutorials online.] and how to use registry editor you can do anything in windows.

Even in mainstream versions of linux like Red Hat & Ubuntu you have to know how to edit & make scripts to customize it. So the level of customization are not far apart

Um... no. I've customized my Ubuntu plenty with just graphical means. Windows can also customize somewhat, but not to the same extent. OS X "Aqua" interface gives very few options (ooh, I can have the dock on the side if I want, or I can make it auto-hide :roll: ) but if you're up to the challenge it is possible to install GNOME, KDE, or any other system for managing the X Windows environment on OS X, which then gives you all the customizability options of those environments.


OS X is very easily customisable if you have the right software and/or know what your doing.



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06 Dec 2008, 4:14 am

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I'm interested to know if one could install Gnome on Vista with no danger of wreaking the system... It would solve one of by big issues with Vista...


I looked into it too. All I found was 'coming soon'. I think you'd want to switch to a file system that supports better options for permissions, but that sounds like "break windows" to me.

No, you can't. There is supposedly KDE on Windows, but from what I've seen it's just the ability to run KDE programs on Windows, rather than actually having the Linux UI on Windows. OS X is based on UNIX and has the X Window system, so it can use many of the same things Linux does.


Ah, just a rearrangement of the menuing system. I see. Personally I hate the KDE file dialog.


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06 Dec 2008, 4:18 am

I think today I'm gonna spend time screwing with my Vista partition, I just downloaded a program which will change my logon screen, I'll take a look at more stuff if you recommend it :)



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06 Dec 2008, 9:23 am

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About customization, You can customize windows in many different ways. You can customize appearence, performence, certain features & so-on. Like in Windows XP you can turn the Start Button on the Start Menu to say just about anything just by using registry editor. If you know even a little about Visual Basic [There is a wealth of tutorials online.] and how to use registry editor you can do anything in windows.

Even in mainstream versions of linux like Red Hat & Ubuntu you have to know how to edit & make scripts to customize it. So the level of customization are not far apart


So, uh. What about changing the visuals in a few keystrokes to a preference without having to alter a registry? The ways to edit the "Start" different from 9x to XP. I just can't be bothered. The UAC with Vista is annoying, how DUMB can it be if the files that are safe to use have to ask for permission to allow, I just get pissed to the point I finally find where it is and disable.

So, your avatar displays Windows XP Professional? Why not Vista? Why not Windows XP x64 or Windows XP x64 Professional?


I'm only lukewarm to Vista due to all the compatibility issues & UAC. Also x64 versions of XP are glitchy. Only Vista x64 is actually a very good operating system. Third XP Professional is what I use.



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06 Dec 2008, 3:24 pm

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I'm only lukewarm to Vista due to all the compatibility issues & UAC. Also x64 versions of XP are glitchy. Only Vista x64 is actually a very good operating system. Third XP Professional is what I use.

I have XP Pro SP2 and it's working pretty well. Much better than Vista.


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06 Dec 2008, 3:46 pm

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I'm only lukewarm to Vista due to all the compatibility issues & UAC. Also x64 versions of XP are glitchy. Only Vista x64 is actually a very good operating system. Third XP Professional is what I use.

I have XP Pro SP2 and it's working pretty well. Much better than Vista.



Did you get the latest service pack. Service Pack 3. You can get it automatically by using Microsoft Update. That will fix even more security holes & errore in XP. But yes, even as a Microsoft fan I do say this. Out of all Microsoft OSe's Vista is overall the worst.

If I were you I would wait until Windows 7 to jump ahead. Microsoft has worked on it for nearly 10 years. Also within those 10 years Microsoft had ironed all all the kinks with Windows 7. Microsoft even has backwards driver compatibility if you can't find a working driver currentely availiable on windows 7 or the windows 7 driver gives you nothing but sh*t.



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06 Dec 2008, 3:52 pm

Hey Gamefreak, Windows n00b question here. I know it's dumb to run as an admin account, but in a regular user account I can't actually do anything, including install AV software or anything else. How do I authenticate for temporary administrative privileges from within my limited user account so I can install software?

EDIT: Never mind, I figured it out. Right-click, run as. In my mind, not the absolute best way of handling that, but it's functional and certainly a lot nicer than UAC.

Ah, and I have found a couple advantages for Windows. 1)Office 2007 is definitely the most feature-rich office suite in existence. 2)Google Chrome, which is pretty neat. It never worked in my Vista, but XP handles it quite nicely. It looks to be a pretty cool browser, though it's still a bit buggy. Also, XP has good performance/speed, which was my main gripe with Vista.


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06 Dec 2008, 6:37 pm

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Hey Gamefreak, Windows n00b question here. I know it's dumb to run as an admin account, but in a regular user account I can't actually do anything, including install AV software or anything else. How do I authenticate for temporary administrative privileges from within my limited user account so I can install software?

EDIT: Never mind, I figured it out. Right-click, run as. In my mind, not the absolute best way of handling that, but it's functional and certainly a lot nicer than UAC.

Ah, and I have found a couple advantages for Windows. 1)Office 2007 is definitely the most feature-rich office suite in existence. 2)Google Chrome, which is pretty neat. It never worked in my Vista, but XP handles it quite nicely. It looks to be a pretty cool browser, though it's still a bit buggy. Also, XP has good performance/speed, which was my main gripe with Vista.


Yeah we don't talk about Vista...

And on the matter of customization, XP isnt so bad with the aid of Stardock:

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06 Dec 2008, 8:12 pm

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Keith wrote:
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About customization, You can customize windows in many different ways. You can customize appearence, performence, certain features & so-on. Like in Windows XP you can turn the Start Button on the Start Menu to say just about anything just by using registry editor. If you know even a little about Visual Basic [There is a wealth of tutorials online.] and how to use registry editor you can do anything in windows.

Even in mainstream versions of linux like Red Hat & Ubuntu you have to know how to edit & make scripts to customize it. So the level of customization are not far apart


So, uh. What about changing the visuals in a few keystrokes to a preference without having to alter a registry? The ways to edit the "Start" different from 9x to XP. I just can't be bothered. The UAC with Vista is annoying, how DUMB can it be if the files that are safe to use have to ask for permission to allow, I just get pissed to the point I finally find where it is and disable.

So, your avatar displays Windows XP Professional? Why not Vista? Why not Windows XP x64 or Windows XP x64 Professional?


I'm only lukewarm to Vista due to all the compatibility issues & UAC. Also x64 versions of XP are glitchy. Only Vista x64 is actually a very good operating system. Third XP Professional is what I use.


Just think, all those 64bit processors running Windows 5.1 ... Just wait until they try to download 64bit mods for games ;) I use only 64bit OS's on my most powerful computer as I see no point in wasting the extra bandwidth that will not get used. The only major problem I have with Windows 5.2 is that I couldn't get Doom to install - the latest one. I had to modify a file and recreate the disc. Apparently Windows XP 5.2 isn't Windows XP - lol. I can see that DOS based games will not work unless I configure DOSBoxer - Same with Windows 6.0

Why is the next version of Windows going to be called Se7en? with a version number of 6.1 ? Windows "7" will be built on top of the Vista's core. Just as XP is built on the core of "Windows 2000.

When they release it, I will definitely try it anyway. Maybe it will be better, maybe not. I guess there is one way to find out.



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06 Dec 2008, 9:03 pm

Orwell wrote:
Hey Gamefreak, Windows n00b question here. I know it's dumb to run as an admin account, but in a regular user account I can't actually do anything, including install AV software or anything else. How do I authenticate for temporary administrative privileges from within my limited user account so I can install software?

EDIT: Never mind, I figured it out. Right-click, run as. In my mind, not the absolute best way of handling that, but it's functional and certainly a lot nicer than UAC.

Ah, and I have found a couple advantages for Windows. 1)Office 2007 is definitely the most feature-rich office suite in existence. 2)Google Chrome, which is pretty neat. It never worked in my Vista, but XP handles it quite nicely. It looks to be a pretty cool browser, though it's still a bit buggy. Also, XP has good performance/speed, which was my main gripe with Vista.


Well I would just click Run on the Start Menu and Type Msconfig, Then afterwards go to UAC & Disable it. I can help you turn off all the bells & whistles vista has. Or is it just better to stay with Windows XP & Ubuntu.



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Well I would just click Run on the Start Menu and Type Msconfig, Then afterwards go to UAC & Disable it. I can help you turn off all the bells & whistles vista has. Or is it just better to stay with Windows XP & Ubuntu.

Right now, on my laptop I can access Mac OS X, Vista, Ubuntu, or XP. (Tri-boot of OSX, Vista, and Ubuntu, with XP in VB inside Ubuntu) It would be rather a pain to re-do my triple-boot set-up, so if possible I would prefer to get Vista functional. I'm utterly horrified at the performance of Vista with the amount of RAM I have, but it probably is possible to cut it down somewhat.


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