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My mac works pretty well. The problem I've had with windows is that it works okay for a while but all the software that I run through it eventually screws up the system and I end up re-imaging the drive. Linux manages software so that isn't much of an issue, but people that write this distributions still don't understand that NOBODY coming from Windows or DOS wants to mess with the console. Even if you can't get X to start there should be simple programs that use extended ASCII to render widgets to get the configuration right so you can start X. OSX doesn't have the configuration issues that Linux has, and it doesn't have the unstable software issues of Windows.

I use IE7.

Tim

Actually I don't think that's true. It's all about who's behind the screen. As you can see on page 3 of this thread I'm an Opera fan, but back in the days when I was using IE, I never got any spyware. Simply because I changed the security settings and use some common sense as to what I said yes to.
Perhaps generally true, but when I tried Linux for the first time, I was amazed about what I could do with console, that I couldn't do with Windows' GUI.

Very interesting, nitro2k01. I did the transition the other way round. Started with Unix (and others), and could never get the hang of how little you could do under Windows (and/or DOS). I assume you know about Cygwin, to get over that problem.

I most certainly do. It's one of the first things I install on every fresh Windows machine of mine.

Overpriced for its ability? Absolutely. However, its convenient because the majority of people don't want to go through the hassle of making their own computer, they're paying for convenience and those people who don't think about it as much as you or I do, or those who don't have the accessability to make their own and things of the like will purchase an Apple.

I'm sure there's other reasons too, status and such things I don't quite get.
Apple is good for music and art type programs I hear.
The ability to make your own just as good is always there, absolutely. Not everyone will want to do this.

that's a myth. apple is good for those programs mainly because it's stripped down. i've run pro-tools on both windows and macs and the performance was the same (i had the mac crash on me more than the pc). the main reason why, at least with audio programs, that mac was a prefered system was because they had only one chipset and so it was easy for protools and other DAW's like that to optimize their functionality with that chipset. at this point, pro-tools is able to have that same functionality with many different PC chipsets.


and actually, adobe switched back in 2005 from saying that macs were the best to run their programs to saying that windows was the best.


the myth of macs being better is almost entirely false other than ease of consumer use and that's mainly because macs don't have more functionality than doing just a couple things.


as far as the various problems cited with windows....i've yet to run across any serious problems with XP that i hadn't caused myself. my functionality with windows: audio recording and processing, gaming, internet surfing and downloading, watching movies, and rarely some word processing. it seems that people's problems with windows is that they break it themselves then blame windows because of the microsoft hate. if someone does the same thing and breaks linux, they blame themselves. i'd hardly call that a fair assessment of an operating system.





how is it convinient? you get a program that can't run all of the mainstream software unless you buy additional software. people can buy gateways and dells and all that garbage for pre-assembled and they're normally cheaper and about as powerful as their apple counterparts.

the only real thing i see about apple is that they've turned owning a piece of hardware into a community where they all jerk each other off and pretend they're better than other people. and, uh, how is that not a group of people that deserve to be targeted repeatedly by viruses and worms?

but back on topic......firefox also has a lovely addon called open in internet explorer....which is for those rare moments where firefox fails (say like if you want to watch the democratic debate on msn.com).

I just use IE7 because it works fine for what I need and I don't feel the need to hate a product just because it is a Microsoft one.

I mean it is hardly as if all other software companies are not-for-profit workers cooperatives or something....

IE7 tries to be firefox by taking the idea of tabs from firefox. unfortunately it falls flat and misses such fun features as spellcheck and the millions of various add-ons that are made for firefox.


and actually firefox is free and most of the add-ons are programmed by programmers who do the work in their spare time and are trying to build up a resume for themselves.


and mozilla (the company that makes firefox) is non-profit.

I was never into the Windows GUI.

But DOS programs still displayed everything graphically even in text mode and there aren't any invisible commands. All the built in commands and commands in the \dos directory had documentation via /? and with further documentation in help.exe. Furthermore, help.exe also contains a list of commands and other system files built into command.com and in the \dos directory.

I do admit that Linux has -h and man pages, but no listing of available commands with sufficiently descriptive names. And many of the tools have controls that you can't immediately see as they work by hotkey. The text editors available are worse than edlin, copy con, or even echo > file.nam.

I don't wish to sound as though I am preaching stuff you possibly may already know, but my opinion is buried somewhere in the paragraph below.

You need to understand that practically all tasks completed by the Linux GUI's such as Gnome, KDE and some less powerful ones like XFCE can be completed by the CLI, but most people can't be bothered doing everything in the CLI... it's better for some tasks but not all. Also I disagree about the Hotkey comment. The Text editors are generally better. The CLI Editor Nano is my favourite and if you have used gedit (a GUI type text editor), it is ideal for programming highlighting keywords/commands etc...

I use firefox, solely because it works on Windows and Linux (I use both) and it is way more secure and practical than IE ever will be, and also IE, like all MS software, sucks big time

Well I don't use any of the features so it doesn't bother me; IE7 is fairly secure and easy to use; that is all I need.



It doesn't bother me because I am running a Windows machine hence have IE7 for free. If I had to pay for IE7 then I would probably get a free browser like Firefox or something else. My comment about 'not-for-profit workers cooperatives' was just taking the mickey out of the current trend for it to hate Microsoft for being such an evil, capitalist company when people go around using products made by hundreds of other huge capitalist companies. I am an average Joe noob PC user and Windows XP and other Microsoft products suit my needs fine. I mean, I don't use Microsoft products for everything e.g. I don't really like Word as I find LaTeX suits my needs much better and allows me to format things nicely with relative ease.

Viva le Opera!

oh...nah...i'm not hating on microsoft...i actually defended XP earlier in the thread. i will hate like crazy on internet explorer but that's because it's a garbage program and firefox is much more secure and has a lot more features and is just as easy to use as IE (as opposed to switching from windows to linux which is quite the learning curve).