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18 Mar 2007, 5:34 am

Nothing, a still and endless nothing.

No Time, Gravity, Waves, nothing. Beyond the bounds of the Universe is still nothing, endless nothing. No beginning and no end. The Universe much less than a grain of sand to the oceans, in nothingness.

The latest I have heard fits my thinking. The Universe was formed in an instant, much faster than the speed of light. Something far above the natural order we know, Supernatural. Had the Big Bang created as the older theory said, we would be mass moving near the speed of light to get where we are now. We are not shooting into the void at the speed of light.

A burst of energy that formed Hydrogen clouds on the skin of a beach ball, Gravity drew it into centers, which became stars, which exploded after ten billion years. Gravity drew the matter into stars, and what the first universe could not have, planets and moons, odd rocks, the Ort Cloud, Comets. five billion years ago.

The DNA of life is too complex to have formed by any natural means, and we are all of one DNA. It was not formed in the first universe, the material did not exist, or at the beginning of the second, for there was no place for it to survive. DNA was created later, and seperately. The ground was prepared then seeded.

Being the only known bubble of Time, Gravity, Matter, Energy, it excerts a gravational pull on the energy that went beyond, curving it back to the bubble. A sphereical lens, radiating, mostly on the single point from which it came. Fifteen billion years of a universe, focused on a single point.

From every point on the beach ball skin a flow of energy reaching the point of origen. A Unity.



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24 Mar 2007, 6:57 pm

At this point in time there really isn't an answer to what happened before the universe existed, and any explanations that do exist are completely hypothetical at best (There is a suggestion among some physicists that the Big Bang was the result of 2 different universes colliding with each other).

In some ways this question doesn't really produce any answers that make any sense, because the universe is not defined as a singularity, and the Big Bang is an explosion of space and time.



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04 Apr 2007, 9:45 am

Time and space always has and always will exist,
time and space is only relevant to the matter that exists in it.

if in the beginning there was only a singularity,
and that singularity exploded,
it still took time and space before it exploded
to have existed.

If two universes collided, it would still take time and space
for the two to exist and move into a collision and collide.

if you can believe that space is eternal,
then why not time?

now take this a step farther, why not matter?

the purpose of matter is to exist, it mater's not in what form,
it could be photons, electrons, quarks, any energy, singularity, or just plain dirt,
and if matter always existed then so did all time and space eternal.

then why do we exist in all this randomness?
simple,
in a universe that goes on forever,
be it one big bang or an eternity of them,
eventually life will come to exist somewhere,
take for instance,
if there was a 1 in 100 chance of a fly landing
on your coffee cup, you place 101 fly's in the house
or 101 coffee cups, then the odds are one is resting on a cup somewhere.

the same with life creating its self, the odds seem impossible,
but when you have infinite odds then someplace somehow life will exist.



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05 Apr 2007, 10:06 am

Don't ask me!! ! I am trying to visaulise what the universe would be like if it was small as a box room but nobody is telling bumberclart!! !! !!



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05 Apr 2007, 8:05 pm

Me, unfortunately.



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05 Apr 2007, 11:01 pm

calandale wrote:
Me, unfortunately.


Haha! Don't know why it's funny. Just is.



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06 Apr 2007, 3:30 am

Maybe time existed before the universe, if anything..

I've never really thought about it before. The Big Bang was good enough for me, but I never thought about what happened BEFORE that. Wow.



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06 Apr 2007, 5:26 am

A singularity.



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06 Apr 2007, 5:46 am

hale_bopp wrote:
A singularity.


That's one line of thought. My theories rely on the fudge-factor of 'meta-time', that is, time outside time, the time that allows it to be 2007 at Andromeda and the Milky Way simultaneously, even though the light takes millennia to pass from one to the other.


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06 Apr 2007, 6:04 am

Quatermass wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
A singularity.


That's one line of thought. My theories rely on the fudge-factor of 'meta-time', that is, time outside time, the time that allows it to be 2007 at Andromeda and the Milky Way simultaneously, even though the light takes millennia to pass from one to the other.


I'm not passing up other stuff, either. To me a singularity is very hard to coprehend. How could time not exist?



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06 Apr 2007, 11:04 am

hale_bopp wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
That's one line of thought. My theories rely on the fudge-factor of 'meta-time', that is, time outside time, the time that allows it to be 2007 at Andromeda and the Milky Way simultaneously, even though the light takes millennia to pass from one to the other.


I'm not passing up other stuff, either. To me a singularity is very hard to coprehend. How could time not exist?


Space can be defined in terms of matter, and time in terms of the interaction between space and matter. Time passes at different rates in different gravatational fields, but it always moves forward. We're traveling through time now at the rate of 1 sec. per second. According to Einstein, we can speed that up, slow it down, even approach 0, but I don't think the rate of time can equal 0, except, maybe at absolute zero, if all molecular motion stops.


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06 Apr 2007, 11:20 am

Why The Great Cat God of course!! !