Do you think that God could have created the big bang?

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My Amplified Bible doesn't list it as having other meanings, and it usually picks up on that sort of thing. It's "said" in Latin. Greek is "καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός γενηθήτω φῶς καὶ ἐγένετο φῶς", the word εἶπεν being the one we want; it means "said" also, something along the lines of "And, said God, made be light, and made was light" if I read it right. But I dunno about the Hebrew.

Va'yomer adonoy y'hee ohr va'ohr.

And god said light be and light is.

Tolkien got it just about right in -The Silmarillion- which is a better creation story than the KJV translation of the Hebrew scriptures.

Question: How did you get Greek letters in your text?

ruveyn

Nice that you know the original Hebrew.
It is nice in Greek too.
(I like languages).
Adding Greek letters in post text is not difficult (for me at least). I can go to my browser's menu bar, click "edit", and in the menu choose "special characters" and in the window that comes up I can choose the Greek character set and add Greek characters to a post's text (or any of the other characters or symbols). Can't you?

I think it's definitely possible, because the Bible doesn't mention the step-by-step process used to create it. Thus, the subject is definitely open to debate.

Yes, it was an incredibly powerful fart.

If by god you mean a black hole in a parent Universe, then sure.

If by "big bang" you mean "the upstream edge of the dimension we call time, where it was disconnected from it's parent Universe by an event horizon", that is.

It wasn't an explosion, big, nor chaotic. If anything it was extremely symmetrical, balanced, and when it fell over into instability, that is when all the interesting things we observe happened.


It didn't need a creator, btw, it is possible, and self consistent. There must exist a set of physics which perfectly describes the Universe within the catalog that is Mathematics, and there is no way to distinguish between an arbitrarily accurate description of a Universe, and the Universe itself. This thinking leads to the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis rather elegantly, look into it if you're interested. It's fascinating.

Wow! I've had that intuitive idea about the universe being mathematics for many years. When I did my physics degree (thirty years ago) it always struck me how mathematics was always lurking there as the basis of reality. Over the years I've pondered this in an intuitive, non-formalised sort of way. Interesting that there are others out there with the same idea and who have formalised it more than me. My current thinking is that mathematics doesn't describe the universe but that the universe is mathematics. My train of thought went something along these lines...

Even if the universe did not exist, mathematics would still be valid. For example Pythagoras theorem about right angled triangles would still be true even if nobody existed to discover it. Even if no universe existed it is still valid. Similarly you could argue that a more complex mathematical structure such as the Mandlebrot fractal set exists even if there is nobody to generate the complex structures / images via a computer. In my mind I picture some mathematical function akin to the Mandlebrot set being the universe. Aspects of the "equation/formula/mathematical construct" feedback into the same and result in some structures which are "self aware".

I will follow developments in this field with interest now. Thank you for the name given to this field "Mathematical Universe Hypothesis" - I guess it is sort of obvious. A quick Google shows lots of interesting links. It is nice to know I'm not some "lone / off the wall nutter" and that there are others with the same train of thought.

I am personally convinced this is where physics will eventually go and this will become mainstream. I think physicists will have a very hard time trying to explain it to the layman though. People prefer to believe in some sort of God figure rather than trying to understand some extremely abstract mathematics / physics.

Can you do the opposite? Convert greek letters into roman letters?
Probably not.
I downloaded a comparison list of words from Indo European languages, but the Greek words are written in greek letters - and I cant read greek.

No. God doesn't exist.

Snazz, the question was not, "Did God create the Big Bang?", but rather, "Could God have created the Big Bang?" If you wish to answer the question, you must first accept its implicit assumption of the existence of Deity, otherwise the question becomes meaningless and unanswerable - rather like asking, "Could blue have tangent orange spicy?"

(It also requires acceptance of the Horrendous Space Kablooie, but that's rather less controversial; even Hoyle's students have ceased trying to support the Steady State hypothesis.)

I was talking about putting Greek letters/characters in text; I can do that in my browser. It doesn't transpose Roman letters into Greek letters. It's just inserting symbols.
But I can transpose Roman letters into Greek letters vice versa myself.
I learned ancient Greek at school.
And I can translate some things from Greek.

The question is a bit meaningless though because the Big Bang had nothing to do with a deity, even if such was to exist

But that's just the whole point of this question, to see if the two 'theories' are compatible.

However all it boils down to one thing -> for a god to create the Big Bang there has to be a god in the first place and as there is no god, the question doesn't require much of a debate and can be answered with a simple "no"

Yeah I wonder if one says God created everything, than where did God come from?
Or maybe did the Big Bang create God?


I think the fact that we can't (yet) explain everything doesn't necessarily imply a God would exist.

I think it is just the way most people's brains work that makes many people believe a God would exist.

Last edited by Scientist on 03 Jan 2010, 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

Well I don't know if it has been scientifically proven conclusively that there isn't a god. As always the safest scientific answer is "I don't know, I need more research."

Any how, if you were to take the Douglas Adams route on this, if there are inifinite parallel universes, then the odds are that in one of those infinite parallel universes, God exists and did create the universe. But it should be noted that the odds of that are about the same as a blue whale and a bowl of petunas creating the universe

But not impossible!