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17 Mar 2010, 2:02 am

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Like with games, Im perfectly fine ripping off EA games and such, the smaller companies on the other hand, ill fork over the money.

And the medium companies? Do you only half steal from them? I bet thats a trick. How is it done?

You steal a program you do not want from a big company, sell it to someone else, and send half the proceeds to the medium size company whose software you have chosen to "liberate" from its "capitalist copywrong" bonds. It's kind of almost half ethical if you donate the rest to an OSS project...

Alternatively you pay them using your credit card at the start of the billing period, then cancel the charge just before you are charged interest; that way the company gets the use of the money and interest while it is in their accounts, but you do not actually pay them anything in the end.

This one takes a partner; you can time share your theft. Wipe it from your hardrive after 6 months and give to some other theif. Wait 6 months before taking back, make sure partner wipes from his hardrive. Repeat so that you only have the software for half of any 12 month period. Alternatives: have it month on, month off, or weekly, or from say 8.00am to 8.00pm. Whatever time-share arrangment you are your partner in half theft prefer.

Half stealing, it's an art and an absurdity

(I am not in the least bit serious and I am not supporting, endorsing or advocating that anyone actually steal anything from anyone)...

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17 Mar 2010, 6:03 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

Like with games, Im perfectly fine ripping off EA games and such, the smaller companies on the other hand, ill fork over the money.

I guess when you hang out in bars, you're happy to pay for a cheap beer, but you'll steal the expensive brandy off the top shelf, because...

... well, I'm not sure what your reasoning will be. Something along the lines of:

"... because the other people in the bar are stupid enough to pay the extra cash for their drinks"?

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17 Mar 2010, 10:09 am

lau wrote:

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Like with games, Im perfectly fine ripping off EA games and such, the smaller companies on the other hand, ill fork over the money.

nah, my reasoning is, what is a loss of 50 dollars from their amazingly huge profits each and every year. I dont care for the ethical arguements, for everything is really just opinions anyways. And most of the time if I do like something ive pirated I go out and buy it anyways, so it evens out.

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17 Mar 2010, 8:02 pm

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Like with games, Im perfectly fine ripping off EA games and such, the smaller companies on the other hand, ill fork over the money.

If you dont care for the ethical questions, then why do you care to divide the companies into arbitrary big/small groups? And how do you effect this process? Do you, uh, approach them for their prospectus?

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19 Mar 2010, 3:43 pm

I use bitlord. When you install what you downloaded make sure you are not connected to the internet and use the included activation keys. When you get back on the registration will not come up...

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22 Mar 2010, 6:07 pm

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The crack doesn't work. Too bad. But what do you expect given the caliber of programmers who work on these things.

No crack is required for Adobe products, just a key generator, and a modification to the hosts file to keep any Adobe program from verifying the serial number. You can download a legitimate copy of any CS4 program directly from Adobe - it is suppose to be for trying before buying that can be converted to a full program with the entry of a serial number. With the host file modified and a serial number entered, you have a full version without using a possibly tampered with copy. Although the key generator could still be malicious, but that is easier to deal with.

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23 Mar 2010, 11:49 am

hitokage wrote:

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The crack doesn't work. Too bad. But what do you expect given the caliber of programmers who work on these things.

You can use a crack to modify the program to contact your own computer for the verification of the serial number instead of the Adobe servers, and the computer would be set up to tell CS4 to just accept anything.

No, I don't use pirated software BTW, I just know how this stuff works since I myself am trying to make money from developing apps.

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25 Mar 2010, 11:32 pm

Either pay Adobe or get something free or open-source like GIMP. For the most part I agree with Orwell.

Your a thief no matter what way you put it. The Big Company/ Small Company thing is such bullsh*t. Big company's started out as small ones. Not to mention the companys who sell the expensive product put time and money in the quality of it. Stealing is Stealing.

Either find a cheaper or free alternative or pay.

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26 Mar 2010, 12:10 pm

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You are NOT a theif for pirating anything, this misconception really annoys me.

COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT: Acquiring an illegitimate copy of copyrighted works. It is a civil offense - that is, if the rights holder has sufficient evidence, they can take you to court and sue you. You cannot get arrested unless you profit from the infringement, for example by putting pirated films on DVDs and selling them.

THEFT: Depriving someone else of their rightful property, for example snatching someone's phone or handbag. This is a crime, obviously, and you can get arrested for it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright infringement.

Stop being so ignorant, and don't listen to the entertainment industry's propaganda.

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26 Mar 2010, 3:51 pm

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Who said I was listening to the Entertainment industry propaganda. I could care less about that. Maybe it seems that downloading music, movies and such is no biggie. However it cost money to produce entertainment. Look how much it cost to produce "Aviator". The entertainment industry has a soul purpose.

I do admit that a lot of music and movies and such can be overpriced. However the companies are just trying to make some profit for the time it has taken taken to produce the media. Its like you don't go inside a Staples and steal a copy of Photoshop. Or go in Wal-mart and steal a CD or Movie.

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26 Mar 2010, 6:48 pm

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THEFT: Depriving someone else of their rightful property

By your definition, vandalism falls under theft. Theft is taking something which does not belong to you. Copyright infringement/piracy is theft.

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26 Mar 2010, 8:16 pm

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You are NOT a theif for pirating anything, this misconception really annoys me.

Yes you are. Piracy is a form of robbery. Robbery is theft through force. When people make illegal copies, they are not even committing piracy. If you are going to preach, know your terminology.

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT: Acquiring an illegitimate copy of copyrighted works. It is a civil offense - that is, if the rights holder has sufficient evidence, they can take you to court and sue you. You cannot get arrested unless you profit from the infringement, for example by putting pirated films on DVDs and selling them.

Again, know your terminology. Copyright infringement is when you plagiarize; that is, when you represent someone elses material as your own intellectual labor. Parody is a good example. There is a fine line between parody and copyright infringement. Neither entails unpaid personal enjoyment of media.

By your definition if I sneak into a concert, I am committing copyright infringement. No.

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THEFT: Depriving someone else of their rightful property, for example snatching someone's phone or handbag. This is a crime, obviously, and you can get arrested for it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright infringement.

Theft is depriving someone of their assets without the use of violence. If I steal your car when you are not home, that is theft. If I beat you up and take the keys, thats robbery.

I bet your eyes are rolling. Fine. An example. Some guy uses his computer to digitally copy someones elses bank balance. He has not taken physical currency, but he most certainly has stolen. Or maybe you'd call it piracy? That would be silly.

But no, its Fraud noun: A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain. So too is copying music and movies. Its not a nautical crime at all.

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28 Mar 2010, 5:47 am

@All the critics of my last post:

Look up theft on Wikipedia, you'll see it says this:

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The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.

The part to notice there is that an essensial element of theft is that you are perminantly depriving the owner of their property. When you download a pirate copy of something, you don't deprive anyone of anything.

You downloading a pirate copy of something also dosen't prevent anyone else from obtaining a copy, or other people who own copies to use theirs.

Therefore, piracy is not theft.

Now, look up copyright infringement on Wikipedia. Under "Examples", it clearly states:

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Duplication of a CD or other recorded media containing copyright material without permission of the copyright holder may be a form of copyright infringement, dependent on local laws.

Unauthorized downloading of copyrighted material and sharing of recorded music over the Internet, often in the form of MP3 files, is another form of infringement, even after the demise of Napster and a series of infringement suits brought by the RIAA.

See that? Unauthorised downloading is a form of copyright infringement.

The only reason the entertainment industry call it theft is for sympathy. People are much more likely to look down thieves than they are to look down on people who infringe a bit of copyright. It's all about getting people on their side and making a good ad campaign.

I'd also like to point out that the entertainment industry is growing every year. They are not suffering one little bit from piracy, their statistics are all BS, and there have been plenty of independant studies which show that piracy is actually good for the industry as people who download unlawfully actually end up spending more on buying media.

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28 Mar 2010, 8:02 am

Asp-Z wrote:

The only reason the entertainment industry call it theft is for sympathy. People are much more likely to look down thieves than they are to look down on people who infringe a bit of copyright. It's all about getting people on their side and making a good ad campaign.

+1

The insurance industry would say that if you have a fire and claim $600 for a bedroom set they think is only worth $50, you're committing "insurance fraud."

The reality is that just because someone at a liquidation sale would only give you $50 for what you spent $1,000 to buy doesn't mean it's worth that. Insurance companies generally undervalue things when they settle claims to keep more of the money for themselves. This is why people are urged to get "replacement value" riders on their homeowner/renter insurance...so they don't have to fight the insurance company for every penny on their claim.

Still, insurance companies are quick to label someone valuing a possession for more than they want to pay "insurance fraud."

This is not endorsing copyright infringement as "right" but just pointing out that labels are used to sway public and legal opinion.

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