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13 Oct 2013, 7:02 pm

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Macs only have flimsy build quality when compared to a Toughbook or something.

UNIX architecture no longer offers a performance incentive over Windows, except for niche cases.


<--- Toughbook User. As far as the performance incentive is concerned, This is entirely dependant on the DE that you use with UNIX. If you run KDE, Gnome Shell, or Unity with all the eye candy turned on, yeah, your system rescources will run about as high as Windows. OTOH, if you use a lightweight DE like LXDE, XFCE, or even Razor-qt or simply just a WM like on of the 'boxes, your system rescources will decrease immensely.


Actually KDE is now very resource efficient just try it and you'll be surprised, it uses less resources than Gnome shell and unity easily.



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26 Oct 2013, 6:57 pm

If I had the money I'd have several of each, but, I'm poor, so I have a wintel machine. It's a lot easier to assemble a windows box (or a linux box) from selected parts. When you buy a Mac, you get a complete machine with apple selected parts at a premium price.

Personally, I have been turned off by the behavior of Apple as a corporation, you know, the whole patent trolling business.
Also, any gains in performance are not justified by the significantly higher price. I'm not even sure Apple really cares that much about the macintosh line so much anymore. It's not their main moneymaker. It's all about the iPhone & iTunes for Apple.

Linux could be an option, but I don't feel like learning about Linux. It seems to me that everything on linux is unnecessarily complicated. But I don't know much about linux, that's just my impression as an outsider. Not to mention Adobe does not develop for linux, and I prefer Photoshop MUCH more than what Linux has to offer in that arena.


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02 Nov 2013, 6:26 pm

I'm on a MAC in a Hawaii hotel. :D


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02 Nov 2013, 10:51 pm

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If I had the money I'd have several of each, but, I'm poor, so I have a wintel machine. It's a lot easier to assemble a windows box (or a linux box) from selected parts. When you buy a Mac, you get a complete machine with apple selected parts at a premium price.

Personally, I have been turned off by the behavior of Apple as a corporation, you know, the whole patent trolling business.
Also, any gains in performance are not justified by the significantly higher price. I'm not even sure Apple really cares that much about the macintosh line so much anymore. It's not their main moneymaker. It's all about the iPhone & iTunes for Apple.

Linux could be an option, but I don't feel like learning about Linux. It seems to me that everything on linux is unnecessarily complicated. But I don't know much about linux, that's just my impression as an outsider. Not to mention Adobe does not develop for linux, and I prefer Photoshop MUCH more than what Linux has to offer in that arena.


Linux is actually much simpler these days than ever before.
I'm actually using it as my main OS these days, much to my own surprise.

You should give Linux Mint a try if you're interested.
I'm really liking it, and I'm impressed with the ease of installation, use, and the gui interface.

Also, although I'm not a graphics guy so I couldn't tell you for sure, I've heard that GIMP (GNU's free answer to Photoshop) gives Photoshop a run for its money in most areas and in a few blows it out of the water.

Granted, the learning curve for Linux is a little steeper and it helps to be comfortable with the command line interface for some of the more advanced stuff, but having run both Windows and Linux on the same box I can tell you that Linux outperforms Windows in almost every way and I can even run Play on Linux which uses the WINE emulator to allow me to run many Windows programs directly from Linux without ever having to leave the gui.

Add to that the fact that you can repartition an existing Windows install and set it up to dual-boot, and there's really nothing to lose in setting up a Linux Mint installation on your system.
After all, if you don't like it, you can always just wipe the Linux partition and reformat it to NTFS and you haven't lost a thing.

Just my 2cents though. :wink:



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03 Nov 2013, 8:16 am

Alexius848 wrote:
Fogman wrote:
MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
Macs only have flimsy build quality when compared to a Toughbook or something.

UNIX architecture no longer offers a performance incentive over Windows, except for niche cases.


<--- Toughbook User. As far as the performance incentive is concerned, This is entirely dependant on the DE that you use with UNIX. If you run KDE, Gnome Shell, or Unity with all the eye candy turned on, yeah, your system rescources will run about as high as Windows. OTOH, if you use a lightweight DE like LXDE, XFCE, or even Razor-qt or simply just a WM like on of the 'boxes, your system rescources will decrease immensely.


Actually KDE is now very resource efficient just try it and you'll be surprised, it uses less resources than Gnome shell and unity easily.


I've actually stripped down KDE 4.8 of all the eye candy and shut off services that I didn't use. Compared to Gnome Shell or Unity, yes KDE uses less rescources than either of them, but when I stripped my install down, I got it down to slightly above 200 MB of (total system) RAM used, while with Gnome 2.30, Total system resources on the same system were at about 180MB of RAM used on the total system. So again, compared to Gnome 3 or Unity yes, KDE uses less rescources, but compared to Gnome 2 or XFCE, it uses slightly more.
The system that I did this on was running Debian 6.xx.

Still though, I have some appreciation for the new RazorQT desktop, which should start appearing more in the next year or so.


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05 Nov 2013, 6:05 am

The Mac is more nicely engineered. If you open up the back and take a look inside you'll see it's beautiful inside. My last 17" Mac book pro was dropped on a tiled floor, run over by a sofa wheel, chucked around and literally chomped on by two toddlers. It's still fast and lovely.

The windows machines I've had have always failed me, my mac never has. They're more expensive but they just carry on ticking. They always look good, even the old ones, and they keep their value.

I don't hate Windows 8, but I do find most Windows laptops upsetting.



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05 Nov 2013, 6:55 pm

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The Mac is more nicely engineered. If you open up the back and take a look inside you'll see it's beautiful inside. My last 17" Mac book pro was dropped on a tiled floor, run over by a sofa wheel, chucked around and literally chomped on by two toddlers. It's still fast and lovely.

The windows machines I've had have always failed me, my mac never has. They're more expensive but they just carry on ticking. They always look good, even the old ones, and they keep their value.


You have obviously never used a Toughbook.

This shows pics of one that lived in an Emergency vehicle that got burned in a forest fire.


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07 Nov 2013, 3:00 pm

I think I am used to the PC because you don't have to much to fix it. If a MAC breaks down, well, prepare to shell out a bunch of money for a new one.....


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07 Nov 2013, 4:31 pm

Fogman wrote:
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The Mac is more nicely engineered. If you open up the back and take a look inside you'll see it's beautiful inside. My last 17" Mac book pro was dropped on a tiled floor, run over by a sofa wheel, chucked around and literally chomped on by two toddlers. It's still fast and lovely.

The windows machines I've had have always failed me, my mac never has. They're more expensive but they just carry on ticking. They always look good, even the old ones, and they keep their value.


You have obviously never used a Toughbook.

This shows pics of one that lived in an Emergency vehicle that got burned in a forest fire.


I've heard quite a few similar stories about Macs.

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07 Nov 2013, 4:39 pm

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I think I am used to the PC because you don't have to much to fix it. If a MAC breaks down, well, prepare to shell out a bunch of money for a new one.....


What can be fixed on a PC that can't be fixed just as easily on a Mac?

BTW it is "Mac" not "MAC".



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09 Nov 2013, 12:22 pm

I recently fired-up my PC's after almost 2 years of doing exclusively Mac.

I was quickly reminded of why I have grown to prefer Mac :-)



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09 Nov 2013, 1:59 pm

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I think I am used to the PC because you don't have to much to fix it. If a MAC breaks down, well, prepare to shell out a bunch of money for a new one.....


What can be fixed on a PC that can't be fixed just as easily on a Mac?

BTW it is "Mac" not "MAC".


You have obviously never owned a i/Power/MacBook, have you?

If you want to open up a regular notebook to say, replace or upgrade the WiFi card, or install a new HDD, this is usually an easy thing to do, with a set of jewelers screwdrivers.

Also, if you lose your 'Line Wart' PSU, it's replaceable easily enough with a Generic that you can buy at your local electronics mega outlet.

With an Apple notebook, to upgrade a drive, you need to pull the entire clamshell apart due to the fact that there is no easy access to the drive. This is complicated further by the fact that Apple does not use regular philips, or standard slotted screws, but uses Torx and other more proprietary drivers instead.

Also, Apple 'Line Wart' PSU's also have proprietary interconnects, which in the case of loss you have to either get one from an Apple Store, a Mac Dealer, or send away to get one directly from Apple.

Apples are like Mercedes Benz cars. They are beautifully engineered, and the Industrial design is nice, but if you want to modify you're out of luck. If something fails, you cannot work on it yourself, you have to take it to a specialist for that brand, or to a dealership to get it fixed, and you pay a premium for the parts and service.


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09 Nov 2013, 7:13 pm

Actually, the rust protection on some cars from Mercedes Benz is really crappy--and the mechanics aren't that reliable either. However, their designs tend to age fairly well. Compare the W210 to other 1990s cars, for example.



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09 Nov 2013, 9:32 pm

Fogman wrote:
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equestriatola wrote:
I think I am used to the PC because you don't have to much to fix it. If a MAC breaks down, well, prepare to shell out a bunch of money for a new one.....


What can be fixed on a PC that can't be fixed just as easily on a Mac?

BTW it is "Mac" not "MAC".


You have obviously never owned a i/Power/MacBook, have you?


Um, I'm typing this a MacBook, and I have replaced hard drives many times. Obviously it is you who has never owned one.

I can swap out the hard drive and the RAM in my MacBook in less then three minutes. You wish it was that easy on a PC laptop.

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20 Nov 2013, 9:53 pm

the name says it al. :D



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I'm Both Mac and PC. But Mostly a PC. But here's my story, When I was 9, I told my mother that I want a Computer with Windows XP, and then we went to the place where they're giving away refubished Computers, But When my mother told me that there is no Windows XP Computers but a Mac, which I looked at the Lexmark's Instructions Manual, I was freaked out over the Mac where I thought the Taskbar was on the top, but I told my mother, I will give it a try, but when I did, I started liking it. And I found out the taskbar on the top of the computer was actually, has, File, Edit, View, Special, Help. Which it ran Mac OS 9 and the Model was Power Macintosh 6100. Which I thought all Macs are like iMac G3, but it's not, because there is alot of different Models, Colors, and Designs. The Power Macintosh 6100 was a beige box computer. I was having fun on Mac OS 9 until I saw Mac OS X, which I told my mother that I want Mac OS X, but few Months later, my brother broke it, and I was upset. 6 years later, I bought a eMac G4, which it has Mac OS X 10.3 Panther, but I upgraded to 10.4.11 Tiger. I was having fun for few months, until I decided to upgrade my Mac parts so I can Install Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, but the upgrading had failed and broke. 2 years later, I finally bought a Macbook 2006 Model, because a lot of Applications only supports Intel, But Not PowerPC G4. And so, I decided to upgrade into a new Version.

Meanwhile when I was 15 1/2 years old, I got my First PC (Windows) that I got for myself, and I enjoyed it, but it was a little bit slow. A year later, I decided to build a Custom Desktop Computer. But it was really fast. which I cannot play games on the older computer, which I was mad. But with this Custom Built Computer, I can play any games as I could.

But I missed my Mac.

Comparision

Mac OS X has no viruses at all, and you'll never get one.

In Windows, You can customized your specs all by yourself

on a Mac, It's easy to plug In just 3 cords, while Windows, you have to plug 5 or 6 more cords, and it can be messy.

Mac has a lot of Insanely Great Apps (like iLife, iWork and iTunes)

While Windows doesn't.

Windows Can take longer to boot, while the Mac can take faster to boot.

Windows can slow down your computer (unless you have a fast performance Computer, that can run 10-20 apps at the time) While Mac Doesn't.