Do you think that God could have created the big bang?

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We can't falsify the 'theory' that God exists. But the fact that we can't falsify it, doesn't imply God does exist. I'd say we should assume the most simple (or most falsifiable) explanation to be true (Occam/Ockham's razor) and not assume non-falsifiable theories to be true.

I think what is behind all that exists are physical, chemical and biological laws and structures. I don't call that 'God' (but you could call that 'God').

whatever one chooses to believe self-existence must be accepted. either the universe or that from which it began was self-existent or God was self-existent. given we all have a definitive beginning and ending, self-existence is beyond our experiential understanding.

thus you can believe something just occurred which just happened "by accident" to result in the universe and life on earth or you can believe in an intelligent, powerful creative being - God - who created the universe and life by design and with purpose. there is no escaping these two choices.

careful study of the universe and life leaves one rational conclusion: design and purpose by an intelligent creator.

that everything came about by random accident from utter chaos and developed into highly structured, well ordered systems has a probability indistinguishable from zero.

the only reason to accept a godless universe which came about by random accident is that the only alternative is to believe in God which implies man is not supreme and there is moral accountability beyond one's self and humanity.

Ockham's razor is merely a principle not irrefutable logic and there are multiple cases where the simplest explanation has been proven to be incorrect. When I say that it hasn't been scientifically proven conclusively that there isn't a god, I also mean that it hasn't been proven that there is a god - we need more evidence for either. I would suggest that when faced with insufficient evidence, that yes you can take the hypothesis of the simplest solution but to assume that it is fact before proven flies in the fact of scientific analysis in the first place. You need to be willing to be wrong.

And if that doesn't make sense, I would also say that Ockham himself was a Christian.

when it comes to logic and reason, non-existence proofs are the most difficult and those who lack good, formal understanding of logic and reason provide ample opportunity to perpetuate ideas like conspiracy theories, superstition, and wild beliefs.

here are some trivial examples.

i say "all elephants are gray". it is simple enough to prove my assertion false by finding only one elephant which is not gray by proving existence of an elephant of any color other than gray.

i say "no elephants are gray". again, finding only one elephant which is gray proves my assertion false by proving existence of gray elephants.

i say "there exists a pink elephant". try to prove there is not at least one pink elephant on this planet. how can you do so?

thus, proving the non-existence of something is a very hard thing to do.

when people assert God exists, how can you prove otherwise?

when people assert aliens from other planets exist, how you can prove otherwise?

when someone asserts there is a fountain of youth which makes people young again, how can you prove otherwise?

If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a cat have? Answer: four legs. Calling a tail a let does not make the tail a leg.

ruveyn

Of course the simplest explanation can be proven false; I didn't say it is always true. We can assume that it is true until proven false. And I know that you meant it hasn't been proven God exists. And the fact that Ockham was a Christian, doesn't mean we cannot apply his principle.

The question was woulld a christian object to the notion that God 'created the Big Bang?

Not "is there a God?" nor even "did God create the Big Bang?'
The question is "does the idea that God created the Big Bang contradict christian theology in some way?'

The answer is: not only is there no reason for a christian to object to that suggestion, a 21st centurey christian has no choice BUT to believe that!


It seems to me that the idea actually fits rather nicely into christian theology.
The Big Bang won out over the 'Steady State' theory that stated that the universe always existed.

The steady state theory is more compatible with oriental creeds like Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism.

In contrast the Big Bang is very compatible with the Judeo/christian/islamic assumption that the universe had a begining- a Genisis, has a finite biography, and may even have an end.

Since we have no knowledge of what preceded the Big Bang you can hypothesize anything you want about what happened before the Big Bang and you cant be disproven.

So why not suggest God lit the fuse?

So not only does it not contradict Christian theology (unless you're an extreme biblical literealist) the BB theory actually bolsters it against both rival religions, and ( a cynic might say) it gives christians a dodge against atheists by providing a gap for God to hide in.

Hawkings (the wheelchair bound physicist) said asking "'what came before the Big Bang?' is like saying 'what's north of the North Pole?' its meaningless. So there was nothing-not even God- before the big bang in his view.

So there is no need to invoke God to explain the Big Bang.

But there's no particular problem with invoking God that way either. It cant be disproven scientifically, nor does it contradict christian beliefs in any way im aware of.

Indeed 21st centurey Christians, Jews, and Muslims, would almost have to believe that God created the Big Bang . What alternative is there?

This is interesting, I like this explanation the best. I am more interested in, like someone said, if the big bang created God. Are they (good and evil) physical properties in the universe that we interpret subjectively? Do they have equations? Are they really in fact neutral at some level but given value by our experiences and opinions. I guess I am asking myself this because everytime I am at work and the show Paranormal State is on they are always exorcising some demon out of some former Satanist. Christianity being such a young religion I'm kind of taken aback by it. I used to read alot of mythology and Satan is pretty much regarded as a vilification of Egyptian god Au Set. In other words, it's borrowed mythology. But most people that believe in God believe in good and evil as opposing forces. In my opinion Satan is the vilification of the male element and Jesus the masculinization of the female Goddess. And the mythology is layered like that, one culture over another, since the beginning of human record. On some level clearly it's true that the big bang created God, since it created humans and our need for reverence (unless you are into the steady state thing). I am just wondering if natural law (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction) necessarily entails a devious counterpart to good. Because most people that believe in God believe in some form of evil divorced from human motive. I don't. I am spiritual but I believe all forms of evil are human.

you're all over the place here!
Break it down!
One of the many interesting questions you're raising is"does evil exist if there are no humans?" And even - if humans are around to to be victims- is nature being evil to victimize them?

In other words "Was the recent earthquake in Haiti an immoral event? Or was it an amoral event?"

I would say A-moral. Unforrtunate as it was it was it was just mindless nature doing its thing.

In constrast the Nine-11 attacks (or the Holocaust or whatever) would be evil because humans are wilfully inflicting the suffering.

If God is omnipotent He could have created any size bang He wanted to create.

ruveyn