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Yeah Orwell. You probably have a better general knowledge base than the free techs.

I've been wondering: Has your little OS adventure taught you more of the esoterica of OSX as well?

Yes, actually. I want to start playing around with Darwin (the BSD base underlying OSX) but unfortunately Apple stopped releasing binaries for it a while ago. How do you get something working when all you have is the source code? Still, I plan on getting into Finks or Macports so I can play with the UNIX behind OSX- including the X11 window system. I'll be able to get my nice GNOME-y looks in Mac.

wendy 2k ill never updrage to xp/vista

One good thing about Windows: The updates aren't f'ing bloated! I hate how Apple would make me suffer through a gigabyte worth of updates, take more hard disk space, and force me to restart my system and have at least 10 minutes tops of downtime. I don't have the time to waste for a system to update the patches. Microsoft knows how to manage the updates and make them smaller than the as*holes at Apple. :-/

I've not enjoyed the update process in either OSX or Windows. The Windows one seemed somewhat more obtrusive to me, but perhaps that is just because of the excessively long reboot times. If you want a better update experience, it really does have to be Linux. You don't even notice that updates are going on.

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Last edited by steveos87 on 14 Dec 2008, 4:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wow. You spend that amount of your time playing games!

95%? Surely you jest. On my computer, I have Mac OS X Leopard, Windows Vista Ultimate, Ubuntu GNU/Linux 8.10 Intrepid Ibex, Windows XP Professional, Vector Linux 5.9 Standard, and OpenSolaris 2008.11, the last three in VirtualBox under Ubuntu. I have yet to find anything important I can do only on one platform. In fact, I've yet to find any really fundamental difference in functionality, it seems instead to be a matter of taste and how well one platform does something. What I can do in one of those 6 operating systems, I can do in any of them. What exactly is it that you're doing in Windows that is impossible under OS X or Linux? I waited and waited to see these magical abilities Windows had to do things no other OS could, but the only function unique to Windows that I have noticed so far is the ability (and need) to run anti-malware software.

Please, be specific in what Windows beats OS X or Linux on.

You beat me to it

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Last edited by steveos87 on 14 Dec 2008, 4:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

UI is subjective preferences, you can get all of that functionality in Mac or Linux. Linux is much more customizable to your preferences than either OSX or Windows.


This is what I'm looking for.


Outlook sucks. The whole thing's a jumbled mess. I've never tried Entourage so won't comment, but I had no complaints dealing with the generic Apple Mail program or with Evolution in Linux. Thunderbird is good too.


OpenOffice is a heck of a lot cheaper than MS Office and gets all the same functionality.


There are half a dozen equivalent programs in Linux, and at least one in Mac (ArgoUML) all of which are FREE.


Free alternatives are easy to come by, for Linux or for Mac.


Which is why only morons buy Macs and then rely heavily on Microsoft products. Get VLC or MPlayer.


I'm not familiar with that. You can probably get it to run in WINE (Linux) and Q Emulator (Mac) but even if you can't, that's certainly not 95% of what you use your computer for.


BS, MS cares about making money. My printer (which was sold in a box marking it as Vista-compatible) was an all-day fight to get working in Vista. Wanna guess how long it took me to get it working in OSX or Linux? The time it took to plug in the USB cable and connect my laptop to printer was the longest step.


The Mac UI is my only gripe with them. But if you really want to, you can use Macports or Fink to get GNOME or KDE on your Mac, and then the UI is whatever the hell you want it to be. Such is the glory of the X11 window system and open standards. But if you want an advanced UI, Linux definitely pwns Windows.


And that can be done under any operating system in the world, even the most obscure.

I am sick of talking to you Orwell. You are obliviously a publicist for Linux platform. You can't even be freggin' objective, but to be blaintly biased on a platform that is basically a toy for high IQ people. If I could block you, I sure as hell would!

P.S. I am sorry if I act like a corporate Microsoft whore, but its the only best solution!

Sorry if I've offended you. I use all three OS's (OSX, Windows, and Linux) and I've yet to find anything that can't be done on all three, so it bothers me when people go on about how "you can't do anything in Linux" or "All my programs are Windows-only."

If you want to block me, it is quite possible to do so assuming you aren't using the inferior MS technology that is Internet Explorer. Lau has been kind enough to post instructions here.

He is possibly the least biased person around the "computers, math, science and technology" pond. He is a life long OSX user that has dipped his feet in two additional arcana(Linux/windows) of the computer world, including vista and win XP in the last 6 months. He was looking for an adventure, not a heterodoxy.



Your line here was successful in calling yourself dumb. I doubt that was your intent.

My 60 year old mother uses linux, specifically Ubuntu. She is not particularly adroit with digital mechanisms, though she uses windows in her insurance business. But she has no trouble with it. My aunt, a farm wife, came to stay with her and also used the machine successfully. I specifically asked her if she had any trouble and she said "I didnt like the laptop mouse buttons." She uses a desktop windows computer at home.

Shes my favourite aunt because shes so blunt.


Go ahead and block me too then. If you block all the linux aficionados here at WP, you'll find it pretty boring. Most of us know windows inside out too, being dual booters. When you ask for help and only get silence, this will be why.



You dont. Its more reminiscent of a pouty kid stomping his feet and slamming doors. (Because people are slamming windows? )



Solution to what? Web browsing, letter writing, music playing, programming, installation ... or just games?

Best solution to security, multi-tasking, speed, cross platform, compatibility, innovation, grass roots community, flexibility.. or just highest cost?

What is it(windows) the best solution to?

Orwell has asked again and again and again.. what tasks cannot be accomplished unless you use windows?

Of course, an equally valid question is what tasks can not be accomplished in Windows? It seems to me that, for the general user, there really isn't a bad OS aside from issues of personal preference. I mean, if all you want is e-mail, web browsing, an office suite, the basic stuff like that, it doesn't matter a whit which OS you use. You could even use something as obscure as KolibriOS and be fine. And then, if that's all you're doing, why bother with something that's harder to set up? Most computers come preinstalled with an OS, which for most people and most uses is more than adequate, so unless you are like the two of us and just want to mess around with your computer for the heck of it, why bother? I said in an earlier post: I don't see any fundamental differences in functionality from one OS to the next. I can use Windows, OSX, Linux, Solaris, even BSD and it won't matter, everything I need to get done I can still get done. Everything beyond that is mostly my own subjective preferences, so what do I care if someone else prefers chocolate while I like vanilla? Different strokes for different folks.

Although, I have found one neat application that only really runs under *nix- it's called sage. It's a free/open source replacement for Mathematica, Maple, and the like. My neighbor uses it over the commercial versions despite having access to pirated copies and no qualms about such means of software acquisition, so it's not crap like some knock-offs of proprietary stuff. You have to build from source to get it running well, but it's not too difficult.

I may have a Microsoft Bias going here but I have the say I really like Ubuntu. On one of my old computers I really can't tell it apart too much from Windows. Accept for some program compatibilities & the fact that I don't know how to tweak Linux like I do Windows.

However thats just because I just started using Ubuntu & the tweaking will grow on me soon. Also I can use it as a backup partition of windows is inefected.