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01 Feb 2025, 7:38 pm

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Yes I gather ChatGPT has some way of requesting they don't use your data, but I've never seen a simple practical way of doing it. Companies sometimes use a trick - they make something theoretically possible, but in practice they make it so hard that you give up.

It could simply be that if a user doesn't have an account, ChatGPT has no official way of identifying the user, so they "can't" earmark the user as a person they have to leave alone, so maybe they only offer the "don't snoop on me" button to registered users. Having said that, ChatGPT certainly knows my country code, device ID, and something called a "client ID." I've seen that data in the URLs they use when they're trying to force me to sign up.



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01 Feb 2025, 8:31 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
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Yes I gather ChatGPT has some way of requesting they don't use your data, but I've never seen a simple practical way of doing it. Companies sometimes use a trick - they make something theoretically possible, but in practice they make it so hard that you give up.

It could simply be that if a user doesn't have an account, ChatGPT has no official way of identifying the user, so they "can't" earmark the user as a person they have to leave alone, so maybe they only offer the "don't snoop on me" button to registered users. Having said that, ChatGPT certainly knows my country code, device ID, and something called a "client ID." I've seen that data in the URLs they use when they're trying to force me to sign up.


try DeepAI, doesn't require it.


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01 Feb 2025, 9:56 pm

AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
try DeepAI, doesn't require it.

Thanks, it's an attractive idea, to take my business elsewhere whenever ChatGPT turns nasty on me. Do you mean this one?

https://deepai.org/

It has a pay-as-you-go "plan," and apparently the free service is a tad limited in comparison. In my experience such "free or paid for" providers often turn the screw later on down the line, but it still seems better than being entirely at the mercy of ChatGPT's coercive tendencies. Especially while I'm on strike.

https://lazyprogrammer.me/deepai/



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02 Feb 2025, 6:59 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
try DeepAI, doesn't require it.

Thanks, it's an attractive idea, to take my business elsewhere whenever ChatGPT turns nasty on me. Do you mean this one?

https://deepai.org/

It has a pay-as-you-go "plan," and apparently the free service is a tad limited in comparison. In my experience such "free or paid for" providers often turn the screw later on down the line, but it still seems better than being entirely at the mercy of ChatGPT's coercive tendencies. Especially while I'm on strike.

https://lazyprogrammer.me/deepai/


I don't like DeepAI but never adked me anything... btw yeah it is


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02 Feb 2025, 7:00 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
try DeepAI, doesn't require it.

Thanks, it's an attractive idea, to take my business elsewhere whenever ChatGPT turns nasty on me. Do you mean this one?

https://deepai.org/

It has a pay-as-you-go "plan," and apparently the free service is a tad limited in comparison. In my experience such "free or paid for" providers often turn the screw later on down the line, but it still seems better than being entirely at the mercy of ChatGPT's coercive tendencies. Especially while I'm on strike.

https://lazyprogrammer.me/deepai/



DeepAI can be used without log so is safe if you don't log and if you are scary use Tor+VPN


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02 Feb 2025, 1:22 pm

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DeepAI can be used without log so is safe if you don't log and if you are scary use Tor+VPN

I've considered a VPN but it seems there's no such thing as a good free one, and when I did try one, Hotmail locked me out and Facebook gave me hassle. Tor interests me but apparently it can arouse suspicion because of its association with the Dark Web, and as I'm currently pursuing US citizenship I'm reluctant to mess with it for the time being.

Again, I don't see myself as being scared exactly, I just want a reasonable degree of privacy, mostly from advertisers but also from government paranoia. So the idea of being identifiable by a chat AI website seems to be like living in a greenhouse. I don't much mind giving it an email address (though obviously not one that I use for important things or one that has my real name etc.), but I have a feeling it'll also demand a phone number - I don't currently have a mobile phone and even if I did, I'd be wary of giving the number to anybody I didn't trust.

The whole Web privacy thing would tax the brains of a genius, but I don't like the idea of giving up like most people seem to do. Because of my careful behaviour I hardly ever see any ads, so when a business tries to force me to compromise my privacy standards, I usually fight back pretty hard. And I do rather enjoy pitting my wits against them, as long as it doesn't get so complicated that it threatens to take over my entire life.

It's the dishonesty I hate. So much cloaked marketing crap, and if you ask why they suddenly "need" your personal details, you get lame excuses if they answer you at all.

Other possible alternatives to ChatGPT include:

https://claude.ai
It demands an email address before it'll let you use it at all, but that's more honest than ChatGPT's dirty trick of waiting till the user is addicted and then demanding signup. Claude might not demand a phone number but I won't know for sure unless I start the signup process.

https://amigochat.io/chat/
That one looks more like a children's toy than a tool for serious inquiry, but so far it's not demanded an email or a phone number, and its answers look reasonably sober. It seems to give you access to other chat AI machines such as ChatGPT, but I don't believe it really does that, I think it just has a set of buttons that don't do much at all.

DeepAI offers a number of chat AI machines like Amigochat does, but again I think they're just placebo buttons. And there are way too many choices there - Free ChatGPT, GPT Chat, ChatGPT alternative.........and no indication of what the difference is or which one is most like ChatGPT. Still, it might work.



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02 Feb 2025, 2:05 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
DeepAI can be used without log so is safe if you don't log and if you are scary use Tor+VPN

I've considered a VPN but it seems there's no such thing as a good free one, and when I did try one, Hotmail locked me out and Facebook gave me hassle. Tor interests me but apparently it can arouse suspicion because of its association with the Dark Web, and as I'm currently pursuing US citizenship I'm reluctant to mess with it for the time being.

Again, I don't see myself as being scared exactly, I just want a reasonable degree of privacy, mostly from advertisers but also from government paranoia. So the idea of being identifiable by a chat AI website seems to be like living in a greenhouse. I don't much mind giving it an email address (though obviously not one that I use for important things or one that has my real name etc.), but I have a feeling it'll also demand a phone number - I don't currently have a mobile phone and even if I did, I'd be wary of giving the number to anybody I didn't trust.

The whole Web privacy thing would tax the brains of a genius, but I don't like the idea of giving up like most people seem to do. Because of my careful behaviour I hardly ever see any ads, so when a business tries to force me to compromise my privacy standards, I usually fight back pretty hard. And I do rather enjoy pitting my wits against them, as long as it doesn't get so complicated that it threatens to take over my entire life.

It's the dishonesty I hate. So much cloaked marketing crap, and if you ask why they suddenly "need" your personal details, you get lame excuses if they answer you at all.

Other possible alternatives to ChatGPT include:

https://claude.ai
It demands an email address before it'll let you use it at all, but that's more honest than ChatGPT's dirty trick of waiting till the user is addicted and then demanding signup. Claude might not demand a phone number but I won't know for sure unless I start the signup process.

https://amigochat.io/chat/
That one looks more like a children's toy than a tool for serious inquiry, but so far it's not demanded an email or a phone number, and its answers look reasonably sober. It seems to give you access to other chat AI machines such as ChatGPT, but I don't believe it really does that, I think it just has a set of buttons that don't do much at all.

DeepAI offers a number of chat AI machines like Amigochat does, but again I think they're just placebo buttons. And there are way too many choices there - Free ChatGPT, GPT Chat, ChatGPT alternative.........and no indication of what the difference is or which one is most like ChatGPT. Still, it might work.


There's tons of alternatives but DeepAI is the one I do use.


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05 Feb 2025, 4:32 am

I'm not impressed with Crap GPT.

I've seen web pages that just about had to be created by Crap GPT or something similar. If not, then whoever wrote it was an imbecile.

One recent page, for example, asserted that it was generally better to read and write magnetic tapes with a tape machine. Huh? How else do they think that they are going to write magnetic tapes. Magic marker?



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05 Feb 2025, 2:25 pm

kokopelli wrote:
I'm not impressed with Crap GPT.

I've seen web pages that just about had to be created by Crap GPT or something similar. If not, then whoever wrote it was an imbecile.

One recent page, for example, asserted that it was generally better to read and write magnetic tapes with a tape machine. Huh? How else do they think that they are going to write magnetic tapes. Magic marker?


Oh, I detest them


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