How do you feel about pirates?

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Double-post, (I am sorry but this is just something I am so concerned about.)
I am quite mad at the situation as it is right now. So many people wanting something for nothing just taking and taking and proudly pronouncing they will not buy anything of what they pirated.

I understand many pirates are responsable about what they do, and honestly that is not a problem. But the majority of pirates can't tell right from wrong and just take whatever they want, no concern wether or not they product deserves support or not and that won't work. A lot of honest people will loose their jobs and ambitions, and the honest costumers as well will loose a lot.

I am actually very worried about the "political pirates". The piracy party is growing by the day here in Sweden and I fear it will butcher my dreams of making "better-than-open-source" games almost before I can get into buisness, I am not an adult yet.

Sorry if someone is offended by this, I know all pirates are not the same.

If you are referring to me, I did not say that. There is many a thing I bought. Starcraft, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Alcohol 120% as well as many others. I support stuff that's decent in quality, like the things I mentioned. And if the DRM is not a pain.



Yeah, there is not enough pirates with some ethics, as ironic as that sounds. But they do exist.



Or not use those apps at all. It boggles me that people peddle thier MP3to* crap when you can do it for free with some freeware or open source programming libraries. And I could whip up something quick.

Hence why I think they deserve to be pirated: they have zero quality, they are ALL mass produced rubbish, and quite frankly people shouldn't have to waste money on that garbage, when as you said, there is many freeware and open source alternatives. Like I use foobar2000 for all music playback and audio transcoding, since it allows transcoding from every format it supports playback of. (since there is a common library for transcoding PCM audio data with the application)

I was not referring to you. Pirates who truly just use piracy to try before they buy I have no problems against

[qoute]Yeah, there is not enough pirates with some ethics, as ironic as that sounds. But they do exist. [/quote]

Unfortunatly, they are far to few in my opinion and due to human nature I bet there will never be enough. it's not the end of thw world, but it's still very unfair towards the copyrightholder. Not all copyrightholders are mega-wealthy.
I see little evidence that piracy should have a good, or less bad, effect on the little guy than the big guy.

Without copyright many add-supported webpages would not be around, "text pirates" would (and are) simply copy the guides and steal traffic to their own sites, obviously giving the pirate increased add-income on the expense of the author. If he just wants to spread the guide, he could have wrote a hyperlink instead. In a way, this is what torrent sites does.

The culture of piracy will never work, I am sure the internet, with or without piracy, will give rice to a lot of indie developers in all media branches, wich will slowly take small chunks of the big companies market shares. Eventually solving many of the issues pirates are complaining about.
- Prices will go down due to increased competition and decreased costs.
- Quality will increase, due to competition also.

That became a lot of text, I really do have a lot of unspoken opinions on this matter

I have no problem with piracy.. I think it is the best form of protest against corporate greed.

People will only spend what they can afford and usually do while pirating at the same time. I will find a good movie I download and then think it was so good I got to get the DVD and watch it over again.

I believe piracy costs them a lot less than they imagine.

I used to pirate fairly heavily back in my younger days--well before I knew about the words: OPEN SOURCE. With the exception of movies, most of my piracy was merely to check out what various programs had to offer and play with them.

At this point, all the software I use now, I do so legally--and rarely need to buy any software (there are a couple that I am using that I like and will likely purchase--one an upgrade and the other the Pro version, which has more features).

I won't go as far as saying that piracy is stealing--as I have qualms with the terminology and feel the law inadequately represents digital media.

An ad I saw at the top of the page in this thread

I love it when Google does that

I don't believe in property rights for most kinds of intellectual property so piracy is a necessary evil against the lawless copyright extension of the past 100 or so years. Copyright law needs to be fixed.

There are way too many problems with it such as:

-Software you never own (BS!)
-Software you can never get the source to to repair (games, apps, etc)

So things just die because someone can sit on the "ownership" of IP forever, it blows.

I write my own software and also get it legally for free but I will have to remember
not to do so on the high seas because I never realized y'all had ships and cannons
to rob me with if I did that.

PIRACY means ROBBERY ON THE HIGH SEAS.

Singing and Music and Data and Movies cannot be stolen because they are free speech,
just blowing in the wind. If you don't want anyone else to sing like you then don't let
any one hear you sing!

It is not possible for an individual to infringe copyright noncommercially at home.
Copyright infringement is a corporate offense that requires a means of mass production
of copies for profit.
Similarly, you can read patents and build new inventions but not profit from them.
Patents exist to teach the new invention and give an incentive to invent.
Similarly copyrights exist to promote the arts first and give incentive second.
VCRs DVRs Library Photocopiers Tape and CD recorders Boom boxes
These are all legal noncommercial personal use recording and copying devices.

RIAA is a racket, since they try to charge thousands of dollars per song to
individuals who cannot make a thousand copies of it.

RIAA knows that they cannot copyright 0's and 1's since all combinations of
them are in the public domain because they are all self-counted, and counting
is not a creative work.
If you can paint those 0's and 1's in a pattern that is beautiful but also playable
as a song, you have a copyrighted creative work. The RIAA has none but the
cover art on their CD's, if they had even bothered to draw it.

You can officially copyright your own mixtape CD album for $35...
and by writing on it (C) Yourname TodaysDate
But the album is not the songs.
The songs are not the notes in them,
otherwise there would be none left to make new songs.

RIAA is liable to us all and bankrupt for holding for ransom our freedom of expression.

Sink the piRIAAte ship! Sing your favorite song!

Happy Birthday to you
Harry Fox wants to sue
But he did not sing this
So what should we do? <---Parody Exemption of tyrranical copyright law

i rarely have any money since im not working /living on my own so i pirate

Sometimes the only way to get something is to pirate because they don't sell it anymore.

The question is: is there such a thing as Intellectual Property?

ruveyn

Stopping information flowing over the internet is like trying to cut off air from Russia.

I don't think I pirate.

1.) I don't sell any software from copied disc.

2.) If I do download any "torrents" it is to test
software and if I need it I save up and buy it
outright.

3.) I am often the recipient of old software
discs and manuals (originals not copies)
from friends I have who
give me their old software (Thank You!)
when they don't need it anymore, yeah
I am behind the times, but what can I
say? It was given to me freely, manuals and all,
you won't hear me grumble.

I'd rather not "pirate" if I can avoid it.

Sure, I am against pirating

But there seems to be a large number of hypocrites here at WP!! !
As I look threw this thread, I notice alot of people who are saying pirating is wrong, because the work is copyrighted, but yet they have avatars that are copys of copyrighted work, talk about double standards. If your going to say pirating is wrong, at least remove your pirated avatars.
Serious, how many of you that are saying you never pirate, do stuff like rip your CDs or DVDs to your computer, rip cds to your mp3 player, or copy photos of your favorite charater, or go to youtube to watch videos of copywrited work, etc? That is all copywrite infringement, so is it okay to say it is wrong for one kind of infringment but ignore other forms?

I am not saying it is write or wrong to pirate, just posting my observations

also, just so people know, breaking copywrite (in the US) is mostly civil law, so the copywrite holder usually needs to sue you inorder for anything to be done about it, BUT, copyright violation involving more than 10 copies and value over $2500 is a felony, meaning you can go to jail for it. So to the people who do pirate, be careful you understand the difference between what is civil and when it is a felony

Copying CDs to your mp3 player (and to your hard drive) is perfectly legal. For some absurd reason, the same is not permitted for DVDs. In any case, you are making an absurd example. If I copy a DVD to my hard drive (I actually have to violate the DMCA to even watch DVDs on my laptop under Linux) but I don't upload it to filesharing sites, I'm not pirating. I have a copy for my own personal use, that's all.

Here in the US, any duplication of copyrighted material, without the permission of the copywright holder, IS copywright infringement, so yes, copying a CD to your hard drive, even if it is only for personal use, is copywright infringement. Sure we all do it, I copy my cds to my computer, and you are not going to get in any trouble for doing it, but it is still infringement. This is my point, that we infringe on copywrights all the time, but yet, we see one form of it as wrong and another form as okay. A person is not going to be punished for having a avatar that was copy from copywrighted work, but it is still a copy of copywrighted work that you dont have permission to reproduce, meaning copywright infringement.
Downloading a pirated movie online, or downloading a pirated program, acording to the law her in the US is the same thing.

In the US, it is very simple (with a few exceptions), any copying of copywrighted work, without permission from the copywright holder is infringement. Any work created after 1978 is automaticle protected for the life of the author plus 70 years after there death. Published work pre 1923 is public domain, and most copywrights expire after 120 years
here is the law itself, library of congress copywright office, cds are placed under "phonorecord" (that include tapes and records, etc), mp3s are digital recordings and covered under digital recordings (different from phonorecords)
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
http://www.copyright.gov/