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21 Jan 2013, 6:43 pm

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Research into quantum entanglement is the first step: Discovery of the mechanism that causes entanglement
i.e. instantaneous energy transmission.


There is not an iota of experimental proof that either energy or information is transferred in these entanglement schemes. The only thank for sure is that there are no "hidden variables" to account for the correlation of quantum states. The tests of Bell's Inequality show that quantum theory predicts the correlation correctly.

Still no faster than light transmission of information. Please write to us if you find a corroborated instance of an FTL Morse Lamp.

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We live in an entangled universe. All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole.
The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.
Understanding and exploitation of entangled states will lead us to discover the rest of the intelligent life in our universe. We will hear them! We wont know what they are transmitting, but its intelligence will be a revelation.
So no, we cant communicate in a quantum medium, but the others are, and when we do we will hear them.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:45 pm

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Research into quantum entanglement is the first step: Discovery of the mechanism that causes entanglement
i.e. instantaneous energy transmission.
Perception of the phenomena of quantum fields ( of which magnetism is one ) is a promising line of research as well.


Energy transmission via quantum entaglement?

Quantum entanglement is about information. When you measure one particle, eg. a photon, you instantly know information about the other particle, e.g. photon, faster than light can travel between them. Perhaps you can enlighten us about how that can be used to get an instantaneous transmission of energy.

In any event, even if you could transmit energy in that matter, it won't help you accelerate to or past the speed of light.



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21 Jan 2013, 7:48 pm

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All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole. The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.

Wrong.

Newton's Laws of Orbital Mechanics dictate that stars further from the core will move slower than the stars nearer the core.

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Understanding and exploitation of entangled states will lead us to discover the rest of the intelligent life in our universe.

Evidence, please?

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We will hear them! We wont know what they are transmitting, but its intelligence will be a revelation. So no, we cant communicate in a quantum medium, but the others are, and when we do we will hear them.

For two objects to become entangled, they must first be in contact. Unless we first contact these aliens of yours, we will never be able to communicate with them through any form of "quantum entanglement".

And energy can not be transmitted this way, only information (which is not energy).


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21 Jan 2013, 7:54 pm

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We live in an entangled universe. All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole.


What! Can you substantiate this claim? And please define what you mean by "rotate in perfect perfect unison".

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The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.


Please substantiate this claim.

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Understanding and exploitation of entangled states will lead us to discover the rest of the intelligent life in our universe. We will hear them! We wont know what they are transmitting, but its intelligence will be a revelation.
So no, we cant communicate in a quantum medium, but the others are, and when we do we will hear them.


Please explain how this could possibly happen.

You do realize, I hope, that you are talking about the spins of very small particles such as photons or electrons. It is absurd to claim that stars behave in anything like a quantum manner. And they sure don't become magically entangled.



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21 Jan 2013, 9:59 pm

Fnord wrote:
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All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole. The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.

Wrong.

Newton's Laws of Orbital Mechanics dictate that stars further from the core will move slower than the stars nearer the core.



That is one of the problems with current astrophysics. The motion curves of the outer stars are not Keplarian. That is why a form of matter, "dark matter" was hypotheisized to account for this non-Keplarian motion.

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21 Jan 2013, 10:15 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole. The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.
Wrong. Newton's Laws of Orbital Mechanics dictate that stars further from the core will move slower than the stars nearer the core.
That is one of the problems with current astrophysics. The motion curves of the outer stars are not Keplerian. That is why a form of matter, "dark matter" was hypothesized to account for this non-Keplarian motion. ruveyn

True, but the stars' motion is still exclusively Classical/Keplarian, and not "Quantum" in any way.

I had to simplify the explanation ... after all, we're not exactly dealing with Royal Academy alumni here, right?

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22 Jan 2013, 3:26 am

eric76 wrote:
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Research into quantum entanglement is the first step: Discovery of the mechanism that causes entanglement
i.e. instantaneous energy transmission.
Perception of the phenomena of quantum fields ( of which magnetism is one ) is a promising line of research as well.


Energy transmission via quantum entaglement?

Quantum entanglement is about information. When you measure one particle, eg. a photon, you instantly know information about the other particle, e.g. photon, faster than light can travel between them. Perhaps you can enlighten us about how that can be used to get an instantaneous transmission of energy.

In any event, even if you could transmit energy in that matter, it won't help you accelerate to or past the speed of light.


Measuring the spin of one particle is only part of the phenomena.
When you reverse the spin of one particle, the other entangled particle reverses its spin at exactly the same moment.
This is regardless of how far apart the entangled particles are.
This is the example of instantaneous energy transmission, and it is quantum in nature.



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22 Jan 2013, 3:34 am

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole. The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.
Wrong. Newton's Laws of Orbital Mechanics dictate that stars further from the core will move slower than the stars nearer the core.
That is one of the problems with current astrophysics. The motion curves of the outer stars are not Keplerian. That is why a form of matter, "dark matter" was hypothesized to account for this non-Keplarian motion. ruveyn

True, but the stars' motion is still exclusively Classical/Keplarian, and not "Quantum" in any way.

I had to simplify the explanation ... after all, we're not exactly dealing with Royal Academy alumni here, right?

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The stars in the milky way galaxy turn as pinholes in a revolving disc. As I understand it, the stars closer to the center take the same time to complete one revolution as the stars further out.
What I have revealed to you is that these stars are in an entangled state with the black hole at the center, they revolve as one.



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22 Jan 2013, 9:46 am

ripped wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ripped wrote:
Research into quantum entanglement is the first step: Discovery of the mechanism that causes entanglement
i.e. instantaneous energy transmission.
Perception of the phenomena of quantum fields ( of which magnetism is one ) is a promising line of research as well.


Energy transmission via quantum entaglement?

Quantum entanglement is about information. When you measure one particle, eg. a photon, you instantly know information about the other particle, e.g. photon, faster than light can travel between them. Perhaps you can enlighten us about how that can be used to get an instantaneous transmission of energy.

In any event, even if you could transmit energy in that matter, it won't help you accelerate to or past the speed of light.


Measuring the spin of one particle is only part of the phenomena.
When you reverse the spin of one particle, the other entangled particle reverses its spin at exactly the same moment.
This is regardless of how far apart the entangled particles are.
This is the example of instantaneous energy transmission, and it is quantum in nature.


Where do you get these ideas?

As I understand it, quantum entanglement is about measurements only. Can you provide a citation to any legitimate citation to a source that describes quantum entanglement as you claim?



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22 Jan 2013, 9:59 am

ripped wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ripped wrote:
All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole. The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.
Wrong. Newton's Laws of Orbital Mechanics dictate that stars further from the core will move slower than the stars nearer the core.
That is one of the problems with current astrophysics. The motion curves of the outer stars are not Keplerian. That is why a form of matter, "dark matter" was hypothesized to account for this non-Keplarian motion. ruveyn

True, but the stars' motion is still exclusively Classical/Keplarian, and not "Quantum" in any way.

I had to simplify the explanation ... after all, we're not exactly dealing with Royal Academy alumni here, right?

:wink:


The stars in the milky way galaxy turn as pinholes in a revolving disc. As I understand it, the stars closer to the center take the same time to complete one revolution as the stars further out.
What I have revealed to you is that these stars are in an entangled state with the black hole at the center, they revolve as one.


You understand wrong.

It is about orbital velocity, not angular velocity.



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22 Jan 2013, 10:09 am

i witnessed something in 1974 or so fishing off a bridge in fla that to me is undentified.. the light spectrum on this object was like nothing ive seen, closest thing ive seen is the natural light of fire flies, etc.. it fits the classic ufo discription,, but exactly what it was i am undecided on. So something out there exists.. wheither it is spiritual or physical at this point i am unsure.



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22 Jan 2013, 11:03 am

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When you reverse the spin of one particle, the other entangled particle reverses its spin at exactly the same moment. This is regardless of how far apart the entangled particles are. This is the example of instantaneous energy transmission, and it is quantum in nature.

No energy is transferred, only information.

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The stars in the milky way galaxy turn as pinholes in a revolving disc.

Not according to real science. Your imaginary science does not explain the actual motion of the stars.

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As I understand it, the stars closer to the center take the same time to complete one revolution as the stars further out.

Then you understand wrong. The actual motion of stars in orbit around the galactic center obeys Classical orbital mechanics, and nothing else.

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What I have revealed to you is that these stars are in an entangled state with the black hole at the center, they revolve as one.

What you have revealed to me is only your lack of knowledge and understanding of both Classical and Quantum physics.


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22 Jan 2013, 12:31 pm

It's great how this, posted back on page 4, is still one of the most accurate statements on this thread:

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What bothers me about those who believe that we are being visited by alien species is that they always seem to think that all they have to do is spout off with some meaningless nonsense and throw in a few scientific words (invariably in highly unscientific uses) and nobody can claim they are wrong.

That's a large part of what makes them kooks.


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22 Jan 2013, 8:36 pm

Fnord wrote:
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When you reverse the spin of one particle, the other entangled particle reverses its spin at exactly the same moment. This is regardless of how far apart the entangled particles are. This is the example of instantaneous energy transmission, and it is quantum in nature.

No energy is transferred, only information.


Reversal of the rotation of spin is an energetic exchange. It is a material change in state.
Information would be the means by which the spin is measured, not that agent of change.

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The stars in the milky way galaxy turn as pinholes in a revolving disc.
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Not according to real science. Your imaginary science does not explain the actual motion of the stars.


As I understand it, the stars closer to the center take the same time to complete one revolution as the stars further out.
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Then you understand wrong. The actual motion of stars in orbit around the galactic center obeys Classical orbital mechanics, and nothing else.


As I am clearly at your disadvantage here, I request that you refer me to an article which defines this and is backed up by observation.

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What I have revealed to you is that these stars are in an entangled state with the black hole at the center, they revolve as one.
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What you have revealed to me is only your lack of knowledge and understanding of both Classical and Quantum physics.


What I have revealed is actually the case. When this is backed up by science you can PM me. :lol:



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22 Jan 2013, 8:37 pm

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It's great how this, posted back on page 4, is still one of the most accurate statements on this thread:
eric76 wrote:
What bothers me about those who believe that we are being visited by alien species is that they always seem to think that all they have to do is spout off with some meaningless nonsense and throw in a few scientific words (invariably in highly unscientific uses) and nobody can claim they are wrong.

That's a large part of what makes them kooks.


As a moderator would it hurt you to be a little more objective?



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22 Jan 2013, 8:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
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All of the stars in every galaxy rotate in perfect PERFECT unison about their central black hole. The stars are bound and moving in an entangled state. They move as one.

Wrong.

Newton's Laws of Orbital Mechanics dictate that stars further from the core will move slower than the stars nearer the core.


Back it up with observation or admit you are depending upon theory.

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Understanding and exploitation of entangled states will lead us to discover the rest of the intelligent life in our universe.

Evidence, please?


I am pointing you in the direction of research, not furnishing it.

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We will hear them! We wont know what they are transmitting, but its intelligence will be a revelation. So no, we cant communicate in a quantum medium, but the others are, and when we do we will hear them.

For two objects to become entangled, they must first be in contact.


Oh, like at the time of the big bang?

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Unless we first contact these aliens of yours, we will never be able to communicate with them through any form of "quantum entanglement".


The first step toward discovery is an open mind.