Do blackholes transport matter to the big bang?

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05 Aug 2009, 8:40 am

Is it possible that blackholes could be sending matter back in time to a central point until all of the black holes have consumed all of the matter (then rate would eventually accelerate as the black holes become larger)?

Or maybe the black holes are collecting the matter at a center point of their own (not sending it anywhere) and as they consume matter they grown in size until the universe consists only of black holes, and then their pull on each other is so great it cancels it self out and they all get pulled in or smack into each other at the center point of the universe, thus causing the next big bang?



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05 Aug 2009, 8:58 am

That's a very interesting concept that I have also considered myself.

Especially the second idea. I theorize that eventually, all matter will be consumed by black holes and compressed into various singularities. Then the black holes will eventually gravitate towards each other and merge, until all matter in the universe is compressed into just one singularity. Then.... BOOM! Big Bang all over again. :D

Of course, this is just an over-simplified version of this idea. I don't feel like typing all the details. You'll be reading for a loooooong time.


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05 Aug 2009, 10:11 am

More likely they strip matter to it's bare components and spray it out.

However, it has been suggested that Gamma Ray Bursters are huge black hole devouring each other. If you're not familiar with the phenomena, I heartily reccommend you look it up.


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05 Aug 2009, 12:01 pm

unreal3x wrote:
Is it possible that blackholes could be sending matter back in time to a central point until all of the black holes have consumed all of the matter (then rate would eventually accelerate as the black holes become larger)?

Or maybe the black holes are collecting the matter at a center point of their own (not sending it anywhere) and as they consume matter they grown in size until the universe consists only of black holes, and then their pull on each other is so great it cancels it self out and they all get pulled in or smack into each other at the center point of the universe, thus causing the next big bang?


There is no theoretical or empirical basis upon which this question can be answered. No one has any clear idea of what is at the center of a Black Hole. Your suggestion makes for a good science fiction tale.

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05 Aug 2009, 1:33 pm

If Stephen Hawking is correct, though, black holes will not continue to grow. They will very gradually shrink as they emit Hawking radiation. So even black holes will not last forever.



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05 Aug 2009, 1:48 pm

I would expect that a black hole will not send matter back to the big bang. Instead I would expect a big crunch when the matter is compacted by the intense forces in a black hole. I would expect chemistry to stop as all the protons and neutrons of matter are turned into a soup or solid block of neutrons / protons.


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05 Aug 2009, 1:52 pm

bicentennialman wrote:
If Stephen Hawking is correct, though, black holes will not continue to grow. They will very gradually shrink as they emit Hawking radiation. So even black holes will not last forever.


So do black holes know that Hawking exists? Do they sit there and think "hmm I am going to emit some of Hawking's Radiation"?


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05 Aug 2009, 1:57 pm

audioeyes wrote:

So do black holes know that Hawking exists? Do they sit there and think "hmm I am going to emit some of Hawking's Radiation"?


Do hot things know temperature exists? Do they set there and think "I am hot and I will radiate heat"

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05 Aug 2009, 2:01 pm

ruveyn wrote:
audioeyes wrote:

So do black holes know that Hawking exists? Do they sit there and think "hmm I am going to emit some of Hawking's Radiation"?


Do hot things know temperature exists? Do they set there and think "I am hot and I will radiate heat"

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Do things that know things think they know the thing that they are thinking of? Do they sit there and think "Hmm I know something therefore I am going to act according to the thing that I know of"?


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05 Aug 2009, 2:17 pm

Hawking radiation and the eventual evaporative death of a black hole remain to be confirmed. The theory looks good on paper, but close study of a black hole is required to get much further.

The mathematics of what happens at the singularity (center point of a black hole) fall apart completely, due to (in simple terms) infinities and zeros showing up in inconvenient places in the equations. But there is no evidence to suggest that black holes are sending matter elsewhere in time or space. Even the theoretical models do not allow for this, since the black hole's very nature is to take in everything and never let it out (except perhaps through Hawking radiation).

If the LHC ever comes on line, perhaps a black hole experiment can be conducted (by accident or on purpose), and we'll have some answers.



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05 Aug 2009, 2:18 pm

I would think that matter would be concentrated in the center of a black hole, and wouldn't go anywhere, because escape velocity would be the speed of light.