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15 Dec 2009, 12:49 am

Because of privacy issues
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15 Dec 2009, 1:11 am

Thanks for that article



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15 Dec 2009, 6:29 am

I have been thinking about this in the last few days and i thought i was paranoid, but now that a find this video i see i am not that crazy.


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15 Dec 2009, 8:24 am

Um, a search engine from Microsoft is not going to be that much better than Google.

Both have similar agendas.



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17 Dec 2009, 2:29 pm

Not to mention, I have found that Google generally generates superior results. Also, their widgets (eg. maps) require less processing power, and are less likely to become unstable.


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17 Dec 2009, 8:45 pm

Yeah I came across this a few days ago. I don't know if Bing is going to be any better than Google. The thing is that they are both owned by money hungry corporations, which both invade your privacy. Also I think Bing wont be as good Google when it come to returning results. I think Google delivers some good products and solutions, but its at the cost of your privacy. Google uses a unique tracking cookie for each computer which has visited a google website, this cookie has the potential to identify you directly and also builds a profile on you. They also use things like adsense which builds a profile on you (it looks at websites you have visited, what cookies are currently stored in your browser and if you are a gmail user it searches your emails for key terms) and also if you use Google chrome, it installs a unique tracking cookie which can not be removed.

I recommend using SRWare Iron which is based on Chromium source code but its removed the nasty stuff google has put in there and it has another advantage it keeps up with the latest stable version of webkit (rendering engine). When it comes to Google search you can either use scroogle (head over to www.scroogle.org) or you can block google from storing any cookies on your computer, if your even more paranoid you can use Firefox extensions like Ghostery and TACO plus google has an advertisement opt-out plug-in (www.google.com/privacy_ads.html). Also remember to disable 3rd Party cookies.



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17 Dec 2009, 9:15 pm

lxuser wrote:
Google uses a unique tracking cookie for each computer which has visited a google website, this cookie has the potential to identify you directly and also builds a profile on you. They also use things like adsense which builds a profile on you (it looks at websites you have visited, what cookies are currently stored in your browser and if you are a gmail user it searches your emails for key terms) and also if you use Google chrome, it installs a unique tracking cookie which can not be removed.

Firefox set to keep no cookies or other private records, AdBlock Plus, NoScript, and BetterPrivacy. Problems solved. Tinfoil hat fits snugly.

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I recommend using SRWare Iron which is based on Chromium source code but its removed the nasty stuff google has put in there and it has another advantage it keeps up with the latest stable version of webkit (rendering engine). When it comes to Google search you can either use scroogle (head over to www.scroogle.org) or you can block google from storing any cookies on your computer, if your even more paranoid you can use Firefox extensions like Ghostery and TACO plus google has an advertisement opt-out plug-in (www.google.com/privacy_ads.html). Also remember to disable 3rd Party cookies.

I'll look those up.


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18 Dec 2009, 5:44 am

Yes indeed, we should all trust Microsoft, as they have always stood up for their customers, especially on privacy. [/SARCASM] ...now if you'll excuse me, the NSA's knocking on my backdoor.



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18 Dec 2009, 8:45 am

Someone tell me this: Why do I have to be so worried about my privacy when searching online?



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18 Dec 2009, 9:00 am

Essentially, you're being profiled. That information would be sold to whomever wants to buy it. That information can be used to manipulate you.

Most times, all we see is annoying targeted ads, but it's akin to someone tracking what magazines you choose to read (which can be done by monitoring subscription lists) except go a step farther...which articles you read; how long you spend reading them; how often you read them, etc.

Do you like someone peaking over your shoulder when you read a book? That's what tracking features in web browsers make possible. The average person is ignorant of it being done, but it's easy to think it's harmless until you get called into your boss' office and fired for what you look at online, or if someone knocks on your door to question you over what sites you visit and what you look at.

It's a loss of privacy at the very least. At worst, it's being profiled by somebody who has an agenda and needs information on you to control you.



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19 Dec 2009, 5:29 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Essentially, you're being profiled. That information would be sold to whomever wants to buy it. That information can be used to manipulate you.

Most times, all we see is annoying targeted ads, but it's akin to someone tracking what magazines you choose to read (which can be done by monitoring subscription lists) except go a step farther...which articles you read; how long you spend reading them; how often you read them, etc.

Do you like someone peaking over your shoulder when you read a book? That's what tracking features in web browsers make possible. The average person is ignorant of it being done, but it's easy to think it's harmless until you get called into your boss' office and fired for what you look at online, or if someone knocks on your door to question you over what sites you visit and what you look at.

It's a loss of privacy at the very least. At worst, it's being profiled by somebody who has an agenda and needs information on you to control you.


Yeah, but how would that be effective in identifying me and what I do on the internet, since the only thing I could get identified by is my IP and that changes a lot? How can I keep them from infringing on my privacy?



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21 Dec 2009, 9:32 am

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Yeah, but how would that be effective in identifying me and what I do on the internet, since the only thing I could get identified by is my IP and that changes a lot? How can I keep them from infringing on my privacy?


That's a good question, but most people don't have a dynamic IP. More so, if you check your e-mail or BBS accounts (like here), you're identified. Much of this depends on how sophisticated "data mining" software has become. The NSA/CIA mirrors everything that's sent across the Internet. That's been established. How effectively they can sift the mountains of raw data for anything useful is still heavily classified.

It's not a question of IF but of WHEN they will be able to profile everyone by their electronic footprint. All they need are computers powerful enough (likely already in place) and software sophisticated enough (big variable) do to the work of finding patterns in the chaos.



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21 Dec 2009, 11:02 am

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Yeah, but how would that be effective in identifying me and what I do on the internet, since the only thing I could get identified by is my IP and that changes a lot? How can I keep them from infringing on my privacy?

You ever sign in to gmail? Then Google knows who you are and what you're doing all over the internet, unless you're a paranoid nut like me and you block everything. (Also, I only access gmail through my mail client- it stays very separate from my web browsing, and I use gmail strictly as a secondary account for very limited purposes)


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21 Dec 2009, 11:07 am

lxuser wrote:
I recommend using SRWare Iron

I've tried it- very nice. I'm using the Linux version and waiting eagerly for the Mac version. One question- do you know how to set scroogle as the default search engine in Iron? (seems pointless to get a specifically non-Google Chrome and then give them all your data anyways) I couldn't find any place in the Scroogle SSL search to input %s for a search entry.


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21 Dec 2009, 11:19 am

scubasteve wrote:
Yes indeed, we should all trust Microsoft, as they have always stood up for their customers, especially on privacy. [/SARCASM] ...now if you'll excuse me, the NSA's knocking on my backdoor.


+1

NSA checks every version of Windows, remember, and there's no proof that Microsoft isn't monitoring us all, is there? It could be that they just haven't launched anything that gives it away yet.

Cookies don't matter, they can be cleared, I tend to clear them every few months to keep things snappy anyway, and if they keep track of IPs that dosen't matter either as they change fairly regularly anyway.

If you're paranoid, you can install a bunch of ad-ons to Firefox anyway, as previously stated.



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21 Dec 2009, 11:35 pm

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