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you say "the laws of the universe always existed", but if there was no time before t=0, then time is finite and therefore you contradict yourself.
Always means "at all times". It implies nothing about time being infinite. I see nothing wrong with my statement; the Universe existed for as long as existence and time existed, and as such there was nothing before the Universe.
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i mean really? what is it? it is "space" obviously, but how does one explain "space"?
"space" i know can be seen (by almost anyone who thinks about it) as a "manifestation", and therefore people have considered space as a relatively easily influenced medium that is acted upon by the material realm that occupies it.
There is no common sense, "wordy" definition that I can give. However, math allows us to describe the Universe where words fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_spaceThere is a difference between a description, and the thing itself. The only complete model for an object
is the object. But there''s no need to digress into aesthetics.
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"space" (yes empty space) in my mind is the most miraculous thing in the universe. the fact that there is any room for anything to happen in is truly awesome. space is completely separate from matter i believe. i do not think the 2 can influence each other. there has to be a new model of understanding. i am not bothered to think it through.
My working definition of our space is that it is a set of points in which subjective experience can be had. It might seem like a strange definition, but think about it; the defining difference between a mathematical space and our space is that experience is had in ours, that we sense it directly. You are wrong about mass not influencing space though; that is demonstrable empirically. General Relativity shows that mass warps the curvature of space.
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