Stasis Pod (what is the most likely form it will take?)

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01 Sep 2011, 8:32 pm

I have always had a problem believing cryogenics could be successfully used to freeze and reanimate humans. I theorize that a chamber with the ability to speed up or slow down light in a confined space would be an effective stasis pod. Would this work or is slowing our progression through time reliant on our speed. What do you think man kinds best hope for traveling to the future would be?


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01 Sep 2011, 9:19 pm

That wouldn't work. What you're thinking of is slowing down light to a point that we'd actually be travelling at relativistic speeds and time dilation would occur, am I correct? But the thing is, time dilation occurs when travelling close to the speed of light in a vacuum. And you can't just go and change that value--it's a physical constant. So cryogenics is still the best way to go. For short term stasis there has been some success using hydrogen sulphide gas (I think that was it, anyway) to put you into hibernation. At least, it worked on mice. Most of the time.



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01 Sep 2011, 9:42 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
But the thing is, time dilation occurs when travelling close to the speed of light in a vacuum. And you can't just go and change that value--it's a physical constant.
So you're saying it has nothing to do with the speed light is traveling at relative to us but we just use the speed of light as a.. measuring stick?

So what if you had an air tight house which was filled with vacuum and a merry-go-round inside the house which could spin near the speed of light. If somebody invented a space suit which could negate all gravitational effects you could go on the merry-go-round and travel to the future yes?


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02 Sep 2011, 9:04 am

Cryogenics/Cryonics is stasis by freezing, and until we could find a way to "freeze" a person without ice crystals causing irreversible cellular damage (or find a way to reverse that damage), the closest we'll get on that line is to drop the body temperature as to induce a long-term hibernation, but you'd still age...just very slowly.

True stasis would mean to effectively freeze time. Could we create a pocket of "null time?" Not with our current understanding of physics, but we know that the passage of time is not an absolute, so perhaps if we find a way to manipulate time, we'll get there.



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02 Sep 2011, 9:07 am

i would still like to bombard something with super accelerated light particles and see what happens


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02 Sep 2011, 10:01 am

Knifey wrote:
I have always had a problem believing cryogenics could be successfully used to freeze and reanimate humans. I theorize that a chamber with the ability to speed up or slow down light in a confined space would be an effective stasis pod. Would this work or is slowing our progression through time reliant on our speed. What do you think man kinds best hope for traveling to the future would be?


I dont think it could be done by cryogenics. Freezing just breaks cell walls. It could be done with intense gravitational fields but that would be actually like slowing time to the outside observer not stasis.

The suns gravitational field is so intense that it takes a photon 2000 years to escape the sun if observed by us but it only takes a fraction of a second observed at the photons position.

Obviously the downside would be being squashed into oblivion :(



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02 Sep 2011, 10:13 am

Speculation on a fictional concept?

I may as well take bets on the colour of magic... :roll:



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02 Sep 2011, 10:53 am

you're more likely to end up using a 'temporal slingshot' via an intense gravity field than a mechanism inside a pod.

Youd need:

A means of creating a small singularity.
A craft that can survive the stress of it.

So you get on this craft, speed it up to ludicrous speed and have it slingshot off the singularity at x distance where x is the combined time dilation effect of speed and gravity well to achieve the desired time hop.

You wont be in stasis, you dont travel through time... But you, inside the pod, experience a few moments of transit while the universe outside has experienced a long passage of time.

Obviously this wont work for space travel but if you rich and bored you could slingshot several hundred years ahead to the time where bacon is good for your heart :)



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02 Sep 2011, 11:58 am

Knifey wrote:
I have always had a problem believing cryogenics could be successfully used to freeze and reanimate humans. I theorize that a chamber with the ability to speed up or slow down light in a confined space would be an effective stasis pod. Would this work or is slowing our progression through time reliant on our speed. What do you think man kinds best hope for traveling to the future would be?


What makes you think folks in the future will welcome stiffs that we foist upon them?

In the far future these people will be mostly useless.

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02 Sep 2011, 12:24 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Knifey wrote:
I have always had a problem believing cryogenics could be successfully used to freeze and reanimate humans. I theorize that a chamber with the ability to speed up or slow down light in a confined space would be an effective stasis pod. Would this work or is slowing our progression through time reliant on our speed. What do you think man kinds best hope for traveling to the future would be?


What makes you think folks in the future will welcome stiffs that we foist upon them?

In the far future these people will be mostly useless.

ruveyn


Either that or expensive conversation pieces!

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02 Sep 2011, 12:41 pm

Tom_Kakes wrote:
The suns gravitational field is so intense that it takes a photon 2000 years to escape the sun if observed by us but it only takes a fraction of a second observed at the photons position.

I'm pretty sure that is because of the photon being absorbed and re-emitted again and again as it travel out through the sun--not time dilation.



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02 Sep 2011, 12:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
Speculation on a fictional concept?

I may as well take bets on the colour of magic... :roll:

It's octarine--a yellowish purple green. Everyone knows that.



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02 Sep 2011, 12:50 pm

Knifey wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
But the thing is, time dilation occurs when travelling close to the speed of light in a vacuum. And you can't just go and change that value--it's a physical constant.
So you're saying it has nothing to do with the speed light is traveling at relative to us but we just use the speed of light as a.. measuring stick?

So what if you had an air tight house which was filled with vacuum and a merry-go-round inside the house which could spin near the speed of light. If somebody invented a space suit which could negate all gravitational effects you could go on the merry-go-round and travel to the future yes?


Yes, the speed of light is basically a measuring stick. Also, be careful about how you phrase things when you tall about light moving relative to us--it can open up a huge can of relativistic worms.

Getting on a relativistic merry-go-round would work, although since there is no known way to suppress gravity (well, it would actually be centripetal force in this case) without requiring completely new physics you would get squashed into a puddle. Unless you build a really big merry-go-round so that the centripetal force is reduced to 2 or 3 g's. But for 3g that would have to be 2.8 x 10^12 km in radius. That's on the order of interstellar distances.



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02 Sep 2011, 12:53 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
Tom_Kakes wrote:
The suns gravitational field is so intense that it takes a photon 2000 years to escape the sun if observed by us but it only takes a fraction of a second observed at the photons position.

I'm pretty sure that is because of the photon being absorbed and re-emitted again and again as it travel out through the sun--not time dilation.


Sounds strange but it is true. Although it does take a little extra time for it to bounce its way out off of other particles (kind of). GPS satalites have to be adjusted by 0.0000387 Seconds a day just because of earths puney gravitational field.



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03 Sep 2011, 8:01 am

Tom_Kakes wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Tom_Kakes wrote:
The suns gravitational field is so intense that it takes a photon 2000 years to escape the sun if observed by us but it only takes a fraction of a second observed at the photons position.

I'm pretty sure that is because of the photon being absorbed and re-emitted again and again as it travel out through the sun--not time dilation.


Sounds strange but it is true. Although it does take a little extra time for it to bounce its way out off of other particles (kind of). GPS satalites have to be adjusted by 0.0000387 Seconds a day just because of earths puney gravitational field.

I did know the bit about GPS satellites. Whenever my Mom says "That can't be true--if it's saying that then there is obviously something wrong with Relativity" I point out that GPS uses these principles.