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14 Dec 2011, 6:52 am

in the big bang?



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14 Dec 2011, 7:14 am

I thought some lithium was as well. Not that I know.



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14 Dec 2011, 7:45 am

fraac wrote:
I thought some lithium was as well. Not that I know.


That is what I read too. Lithium in small amounts was produced before there were any stars.

The rest of the elements came from the bellies of novas.

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14 Dec 2011, 8:24 am

i thought some elements were formed as a process of the fusion in superheavy stars as well, besides the obvious H and He of course,

other than that we are all indeed "star stuff"


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14 Dec 2011, 10:03 am

Yeah, some lithium was formed. Might have been a tiny tiny tiny bit of beryllium as well (I can't remember if I read that). I don't know whether trace amounts of anything else would have formed or not--it would depend on what the temperature and pressure at the time, and how long they lasted for.



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14 Dec 2011, 7:56 pm

Oodain wrote:
i thought some elements were formed as a process of the fusion in superheavy stars as well, besides the obvious H and He of course,

other than that we are all indeed "star stuff"

Elements up to and including iron are sequentially assembled within the cores of stars. Hydrogen fuses into helium, helium fuses into carbon, and so on. This process converts mass to energy; e.g., a helium-4 nucleus is less massive than its four progenitor protons combined. It is this energy that causes a star to shine and keeps it from collapsing under its own gravity.

A star doesn't need to be super massive to eventually make elements that are heavier than helium; for example, stars that begin with at least one half solar mass will someday fuse helium into carbon.



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14 Dec 2011, 8:16 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
Yeah, some lithium was formed. Might have been a tiny tiny tiny bit of beryllium as well (I can't remember if I read that). I don't know whether trace amounts of anything else would have formed or not--it would depend on what the temperature and pressure at the time, and how long they lasted for.

Big Bang nucleosynthesis made some beryllium in the form of two unstable isotopes with half-lives measured in days or less. Extant beryllium is mostly the product of cosmic ray spallation of heavier elements.

No elements beyond beryllium were made in the Big Bang because its epoch of fusion only lasted about 15 minutes. This is much too short a time to make carbon, a necessary precursor of more massive nuclei, from helium.



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20 Dec 2011, 6:41 am

dmm1010 wrote:
Oodain wrote:
i thought some elements were formed as a process of the fusion in superheavy stars as well, besides the obvious H and He of course,

other than that we are all indeed "star stuff"

Elements up to and including iron are sequentially assembled within the cores of stars. Hydrogen fuses into helium, helium fuses into carbon, and so on. This process converts mass to energy; e.g., a helium-4 nucleus is less massive than its four progenitor protons combined. It is this energy that causes a star to shine and keeps it from collapsing under its own gravity.

A star doesn't need to be super massive to eventually make elements that are heavier than helium; for example, stars that begin with at least one half solar mass will someday fuse helium into carbon.


It's the natural death of a star, when helium fuses into carbon, the star grows, as the fusion takes more energy, this happens until the process stops at iron. Stars themselves lack the energy to fuse carbon, thus the star sheds it outer layers.
The shedding of the outer layers is essentially an explosion, the shockwave compresses the core further, turning them into heavy remnants of the core as white dwarfs (complete atoms), Neutron stars (composed of neutrons), Quark stars (composed of quarks, the building blocks of protons, neutrons etc.) or a black hole. The rest of the energy in the shockwave has the power to fuse atoms past iron on the periodic table,

Nevertheless it's trippy that everything we see around us is made primarily from supernovae... :)



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29 Dec 2011, 6:36 pm

It's my understanding that Deuterium and Tritium, the isotopes of hydrogen with 1 or 2 additional neutrons can ONLY be made in the big bang.



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29 Dec 2011, 11:40 pm

barnabear wrote:
It's my understanding that Deuterium and Tritium, the isotopes of hydrogen with 1 or 2 additional neutrons can ONLY be made in the big bang.

Deuterium is stable, and it has no known natural source of any significance besides the Big Bang. While the Big Bang did produce tritium, it's unstable with a half-life of approximately 12.3 years. Presently, most naturally occurring tritium is the product of spallation reactions. Both isotopes are very rare; together they make up less than 0.1 percent of all the hydrogen in the Universe.