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16 Mar 2012, 3:34 pm

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16 Mar 2012, 4:15 pm

considering how little we know about space - i would say that ANYTHING is possible. we only understand physics as it relates to us. there could be all sorts of new and weird things out there. there is no guarantee that the rules of physics still apply in other places deep in the universe


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16 Mar 2012, 5:45 pm

There's an article in the latest "New Scientist" that says that somebody has found (theoretically) a way to create stable wormholes without any 'exotic' matter (a.k.a. negative-energy matter).

I haven't read it yet, though, so I don't know the details.



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16 Mar 2012, 5:51 pm

According to current theories they quite likely exist but they are infinitesimally small and are unlikely to be of any practical use.


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16 Mar 2012, 6:06 pm

We could probably contact Voyager with them. In the delta quadrant.

But I think everything and anything, if it doesn't exist... we will be able to bring into existence. Given time...



16 Mar 2012, 6:17 pm

RazorEddie wrote:
According to current theories they quite likely exist but they are infinitesimally small and are unlikely to be of any practical use.



What is your evidence about the actual size of them? A Kerr black hole(which is essentially a rapidly rotating black hole) potentially could be used as a wormhole and these objects are much bigger than you think.



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16 Mar 2012, 6:48 pm

Wormholes exist and can be created and manipulated and successfully utilized by conscious entities including humans



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16 Mar 2012, 7:09 pm

ask Donnie Darko, yep he will tell you they exist



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16 Mar 2012, 7:09 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
What is your evidence about the actual size of them? A Kerr black hole(which is essentially a rapidly rotating black hole) potentially could be used as a wormhole and these objects are much bigger than you think.


I have to admit wormholes are not my specialty but most of the articles I have read talk about them on a quantum scale. The idea of using a black hole assumes it is connected to a while hole at the other end and so far there is no evidence of the existence of white holes. There is also the issue of the massive tidal forces near the singularity which would tear apart any potential traveler trying to get through.


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25 Mar 2012, 12:25 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
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Possible in theory. We have no evidence indicating that there are actually wormholes in the space-time continuum.

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25 Mar 2012, 4:28 pm

From the "New Scientist" 12 Mar 2012
"Intergalactic subway: All aboard the wormhole express"

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You probably won't be surprised to learn that no one has yet come close to constructing such a wormhole. One reason is that they are notoriously unstable. Even on paper, they have a tendency to snap shut in the blink of an eye unless they are propped open by an exotic form of matter with negative energy, whose existence is itself in doubt.

Now, all that has changed. A team of physicists from Germany and Greece has shown that building wormholes may be possible without any input from negative energy at all. "You don't even need normal matter with positive energy," says Burkhard Kleihaus of the University of Oldenburg in Germany. "Wormholes can be propped open with nothing."


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Crucially, when space-time has more than four dimensions, the powerful theorems which forbid a wormhole unless it is propped open by negative energy may not apply. In 2002, Kirill Bronnikov at the Centre of Gravitation and Fundamental Metrology in Moscow, Russia, and Sung-Won Kim at Ewha Womans University in Seoul, South Korea, raised the possibility of a wormhole existing without exotic matter (Physical Review D, vol 67, p 064027). They uncovered a wealth of wormhole solutions in one of the popular versions of brane-world gravity, which describes our world as a 4D island or "brane" floating in higher dimensions. "No phantom matter is required, and the wormholes can have an arbitrary size," says Bronnikov.


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If the extra dimensions of higher dimensional theories are rolled up very small, or "compactified", that would explain why we do not experience them directly. The process of compactifying the extra six dimensions of string theory creates several new force fields, such as the so-called dilaton field. In the same way that general relativity describes gravity as the curvature of space, gravity in DEGB theory depends on the curvature plus the curvature raised to a higher power.

Using this extra term in the gravitational equations, Kleihaus and his colleagues have discovered a solution for a wormhole. It needs no stuff made of negative energy to prop it open, or, indeed, any matter at all (Physical Review Letters, vol 107, p 271101).



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25 Mar 2012, 5:03 pm

When it comes to psychis anything is possible but wormholes must be prooven but I think they do exist their just out of our reach to further study them.



25 Mar 2012, 5:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
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Possible in theory. We have no evidence indicating that there are actually wormholes in the space-time continuum.

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Any kind of actual wormhole to be used for space travel would have to be created artificially. While it is theoretically possible to traverse a rotating (kerr) black hole by entering directly through the axis of rotation, there aren't any nearby.



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25 Mar 2012, 11:01 pm

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Any kind of actual wormhole to be used for space travel would have to be created artificially. While it is theoretically possible to traverse a rotating (kerr) black hole by entering directly through the axis of rotation, there aren't any nearby.


All theoretically possible. However the matter has not been put to the test.

The best science is experimentally tested science.

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25 Mar 2012, 11:58 pm

ruveyn wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:


Any kind of actual wormhole to be used for space travel would have to be created artificially. While it is theoretically possible to traverse a rotating (kerr) black hole by entering directly through the axis of rotation, there aren't any nearby.


All theoretically possible. However the matter has not been put to the test.


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Well the closest kerr black hole is 1600 light years away. So testing this theory by means of an actual black hole is completely impossible right now.....The only way it could ever possible tested experimentally would be to develop some means of amplifying gravity which is very far off because there is no theory of quantum gravity at this time. Even though it was proven experimentally some 10+ years ago that gravity is indeed an actual force and quantum gravity exists.



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26 Mar 2012, 12:05 am

Of course they exist. How do you think worms get in the ground?