Hydrazine Sub-machine gun: Impossible or possible?

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13 May 2012, 12:23 am

Hey, I came up with this idea to use hydrazine as the propellant for a sub-machine gun. I don't know if it's possible, but I want to know.


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13 May 2012, 12:30 am

???



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13 May 2012, 1:37 am

What sort of sub machine gun ??

Doesn't seem very likely tho.


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13 May 2012, 1:41 am

For those who don't know, hydrazine is a fuel used as liquid rocket propellent. It is very possible to build a machine gun using such a fuel, and there are several ways of doing it. I saw an improvised jet engine built with a turbocharger from a junk car. If a high enough exhaust velocity is created, it is possible to introduce projectiles into the exhaust gas stream. Another way to accomplish the task would be to feed hydrazine and oxygen into a combustion chamber and provide an ignition spark once a projectile is introduced into the barrel. However, hydrazine is hard for an average person to obtain, is highly toxic, and expensive to boot. If I were considering building a liquid fuel type of machine gun, I would probably use something more common such as gasoline (petrol), race car fuel, or airplane fuel.


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13 May 2012, 2:06 am

cyberscan wrote:
For those who don't know, hydrazine is a fuel used as liquid rocket propellent. It is very possible to build a machine gun using such a fuel, and there are several ways of doing it. I saw an improvised jet engine built with a turbocharger from a junk car. If a high enough exhaust velocity is created, it is possible to introduce projectiles into the exhaust gas stream. Another way to accomplish the task would be to feed hydrazine and oxygen into a combustion chamber and provide an ignition spark once a projectile is introduced into the barrel. However, hydrazine is hard for an average person to obtain, is highly toxic, and expensive to boot. If I were considering building a liquid fuel type of machine gun, I would probably use something more common such as gasoline (petrol), race car fuel, or airplane fuel.


The reason I made this thread is because I had an idea for the weapon in the scifi story I'm writing. It is mostly based on science, and I wanted to know if it would work as a weapon. Thanks for letting me know.


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13 May 2012, 7:35 am

Why not a railgun?


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13 May 2012, 10:02 am

the trouble is that hydrazine is highly toxic.

wiki mentions use as an artillery propellant but it seems they have an inherent issue with misfiring.


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13 May 2012, 11:40 am

Tollorin wrote:
Why not a railgun?


Not portable.

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13 May 2012, 12:07 pm

The unclassified paper that wikipedia links to has lots of information.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Lo ... =ADA263143

It seems that it is possible to do but the guns have a nasty habit of blowing up.



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13 May 2012, 12:09 pm

Toxic fumes would make it a poor choice for propellant in small arms.



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13 May 2012, 1:40 pm

Well, the guys in my story are wearing futuristic military spacesuits, so I think the fumes would not do a thing. Also, their used only in space.


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13 May 2012, 1:42 pm

Well, the guys in my story are wearing futuristic military spacesuits, so I think the fumes would not do a thing. Also, their used only in space or on the moon, which really removes the fume part.


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13 May 2012, 2:25 pm

Anarbaculardrop wrote:
Hey, I came up with this idea to use hydrazine as the propellant for a sub-machine gun. I don't know if it's possible, but I want to know.


What is wrong with the current propellant?

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13 May 2012, 3:57 pm

I can almost guarantee that if you even attempted to build such a dangerous sounding gun you'd have a hard time writing your book without arms! :D



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13 May 2012, 4:42 pm

Oh, if they're in space, it might be ideal, since Hydrazine is used in the smaller thrusters on spacecraft, so one would assume that it's suited to work in space... if you combined it with a projectile that was designed specifically to pierce space suits (like the spikes that let the air out of tires) you might have a winner... but a very gruesome one.



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13 May 2012, 5:41 pm

with self sealing materials it would be a rather simple fix to simply pull out the spikes.
perhaps flachettes would yield better results but accuracy at range is a concern.


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