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14 Oct 2012, 11:56 pm

What if a black hole is a universe in it's own region of space-time?

Think about it, matter gets slowed down once it starts to approach 186,000 miles/sec. In a black hole, matter, light, or anything else for that matter can never escape. If you imagine our universe as a black hole, it would kind of make sense as to why matter will never travel faster than light (and why light always travels at 186,000 km/sec). What if the escape velocity of our black hole/universe is (theoretically) 186,00.01 miles/sec... Technically, nothing will ever be able to reach that speed... EVER. Matter can get close, but then it'll just turn into energy. And energy always travels at the same speed. That added ".01" may not seem like a lot but any number would work as long as it was more than 186,000 miles/sec.

I've been working on trying to create an equation for this but this is what's been on my mind for the last few months.
I'm not a physicist and I openly welcome any type of criticism. Let me know if this theory sounds plausible or if I've just been wasting my time on thinking about it.


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15 Oct 2012, 12:04 am

I suggest a careful reading of Gravitation by Charles Misner, Kip Thorne, and John Wheeler.



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15 Oct 2012, 10:11 am

eric76 wrote:
I suggest a careful reading of Gravitation by Charles Misner, Kip Thorne, and John Wheeler.


Ho Ho! That book weighs 12 pounds and I can tell you from direct experience it is not a casual read. To read and comprehend "Gravitation" would require several years of grad school physics and math.

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15 Oct 2012, 2:09 pm

ruveyn wrote:
eric76 wrote:
I suggest a careful reading of Gravitation by Charles Misner, Kip Thorne, and John Wheeler.


Ho Ho! That book weighs 12 pounds and I can tell you from direct experience it is not a casual read. To read and comprehend "Gravitation" would require several years of grad school physics and math.

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It was my textbook for my graduate relativity course taught by a former grad student of John Wheeler.



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15 Oct 2012, 2:38 pm

Keon wrote:
What if a black hole is a universe in it's own region of space-time?

It would have no measurable effect in our own space-time.



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15 Oct 2012, 3:01 pm

Yeah I like to think black holes are other universes within our own, and ours is a black hole within another universe. Matter and energy are transferred between like fountains.

Sorry can't help with the maths but I don't reckon you are wasting your time.



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15 Oct 2012, 3:12 pm

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Yeah I like to think black holes are other universes within our own, and ours is a black hole within another universe. Matter and energy are transferred between like fountains.

Sorry can't help with the maths but I don't reckon you are wasting your time.


I do.

In a black hole, the difference in tidal forces on a body would be ever increasingly stronger. The acceleration at your feet would be so much greater than at your head that you would always be in a state of being stretched more and more and more and more and more while being compressed from the sides.

For more on this, find a copy of Gravitation by MTW and look for a section titled "The fate of the experimental astrophysicist as he stands on the surface of a freely collapsing black hole" or something like that.



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15 Oct 2012, 7:31 pm

If you wish to talk to Einstein about anything see the following:

http://www.allinoneenterprises.com/

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16 Oct 2012, 9:41 am

ruveyn wrote:
If you wish to talk to Einstein about anything see the following:

http://www.allinoneenterprises.com/

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I think I believe Einstein's theories more than I believe in mediums.



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16 Oct 2012, 11:25 am

ruveyn wrote:
eric76 wrote:
I suggest a careful reading of Gravitation by Charles Misner, Kip Thorne, and John Wheeler.


Ho Ho! That book weighs 12 pounds and I can tell you from direct experience it is not a casual read. To read and comprehend "Gravitation" would require several years of grad school physics and math.

ruveyn


Thanks for the heads up about the book. I did a few google searches for it and I was very excited by what I was reading about the book. I like that it's so challenging. Physics is one of my "Aspie Obsessions" and I can't wait to devote my time to understanding such a promising book. I'm african american and when I try to talk to others about physics, they wonder why I'm not just playing basketball... haha

Are there any other topics that I should be familiar with prior to reading this? I'm already pretty familiar with Einstein's relativity theories and I know a good amount of quantum mechanics. I don't have ALL of the equations memorized but I can explain Newtonian physics and quantum physics to my friends and they can "almost" understand the theories. But I think they can't completely understand all of it because sometimes I forget exactly how difficult those theories are for a lot of people to comprehend.


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16 Oct 2012, 11:35 am

Jono wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If you wish to talk to Einstein about anything see the following:

http://www.allinoneenterprises.com/

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I think I believe Einstein's theories more than I believe in mediums.


I think that he mentioned mediums because it would be the next plausible method of talking to Einstein since no one has found a way to revive people from the dead. I don't necessarily believe in mediums either (although I would LOVE if they actually existed) but if they did exist, it would probably be the only way that I would be able to communicate with Einstein.


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16 Oct 2012, 11:39 am

Jono wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
If you wish to talk to Einstein about anything see the following:

http://www.allinoneenterprises.com/

ruveyn


I think I believe Einstein's theories more than I believe in mediums.


I will spare you my sardonic wit in the future. Apparently, you did not get the joke.

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16 Oct 2012, 4:29 pm

Keon wrote:
What if a black hole is a universe in it's own region of space-time?

Think about it, matter gets slowed down once it starts to approach 186,000 miles/sec. In a black hole, matter, light, or anything else for that matter can never escape. If you imagine our universe as a black hole, it would kind of make sense as to why matter will never travel faster than light (and why light always travels at 186,000 km/sec). What if the escape velocity of our black hole/universe is (theoretically) 186,00.01 miles/sec... Technically, nothing will ever be able to reach that speed... EVER. Matter can get close, but then it'll just turn into energy. And energy always travels at the same speed. That added ".01" may not seem like a lot but any number would work as long as it was more than 186,000 miles/sec.

I've been working on trying to create an equation for this but this is what's been on my mind for the last few months.
I'm not a physicist and I openly welcome any type of criticism. Let me know if this theory sounds plausible or if I've just been wasting my time on thinking about it.


Granted I know nothing of the math involved with this but I do recall my high school physics where photons were considered both a particle and a wave .. both energy and matter (sort of) at once in a matter of speaking. Wave-Particle Duality (yay wiki!).

Fuzzy logic... if its a wave-particle wouldnt that mean its shifting back and forth 186,000 km/sec ~ 186,000.01 ?

8O



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16 Oct 2012, 11:35 pm

Dantac wrote:
Keon wrote:
What if a black hole is a universe in it's own region of space-time?

Think about it, matter gets slowed down once it starts to approach 186,000 miles/sec. In a black hole, matter, light, or anything else for that matter can never escape. If you imagine our universe as a black hole, it would kind of make sense as to why matter will never travel faster than light (and why light always travels at 186,000 km/sec). What if the escape velocity of our black hole/universe is (theoretically) 186,00.01 miles/sec... Technically, nothing will ever be able to reach that speed... EVER. Matter can get close, but then it'll just turn into energy. And energy always travels at the same speed. That added ".01" may not seem like a lot but any number would work as long as it was more than 186,000 miles/sec.

I've been working on trying to create an equation for this but this is what's been on my mind for the last few months.
I'm not a physicist and I openly welcome any type of criticism. Let me know if this theory sounds plausible or if I've just been wasting my time on thinking about it.


Granted I know nothing of the math involved with this but I do recall my high school physics where photons were considered both a particle and a wave .. both energy and matter (sort of) at once in a matter of speaking. Wave-Particle Duality (yay wiki!).

Fuzzy logic... if its a wave-particle wouldnt that mean its shifting back and forth 186,000 km/sec ~ 186,000.01 ?

8O


Sometimes I wonder if it's possible that Photons are not both particles and waves, but neither particles nor waves. But I've never been much into high-end physics, so I wouldn't know.



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17 Oct 2012, 12:12 am

Keon wrote:
I'm not a physicist and I openly welcome any type of criticism. Let me know if this theory sounds plausible or if I've just been wasting my time on thinking about it.


I think you'll need to learn a lot more before you can make any meaningful progress on this.



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17 Oct 2012, 10:07 am

2fefd8 wrote:
Keon wrote:
I'm not a physicist and I openly welcome any type of criticism. Let me know if this theory sounds plausible or if I've just been wasting my time on thinking about it.


I think you'll need to learn a lot more before you can make any meaningful progress on this.


I'm going to read Gravitation in order to refine my idea.


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