worlds Greatest scientist suppressed by history :(

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08 Dec 2006, 8:40 pm

he was an aspie aswell..bastardo's!

you guys ever wonder why he isn't mentioned in any science book....but invented our modern world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiiblwwLPk

(all 4 are well worth the watch...fascinating stuff!)



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08 Dec 2006, 9:09 pm

I believe that you will find him mentioned in science books.



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08 Dec 2006, 9:15 pm

Deutha,

I agree to a degree, but what about:

Michael Faraday?

He invented the inductor(though henry got credit), the capacitor, the generator, , the transformer, etc... BTW Nikola insisted on using AC for power! WHY???? To use FARADAYS inventions! Yep, there are a number of unsung heroes! 8-(

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08 Dec 2006, 9:24 pm

Our Physics teacher in high school mentioned the amazing devices devised by Tesla.



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08 Dec 2006, 10:37 pm

What about that guy at DARPA who wrote the paper about how TCP/IP works?

Without him there would be no Internet.

Anyone know his name? Nah, the poor guy.

But there is no vast conspriacy holding back the "true history" or anything, there have been plenty of great thinkers and inventors forgotten by the pop-culture.

Oh and that guy at DARPA who 'invented' the Internet was Robert Kahn: http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml#kahn

(What would become the Internet first went online in 1969. Another 'suppressed' truth.)



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08 Dec 2006, 10:42 pm

Alicorn wrote:
But there is no vast conspriacy holding back the "true history"


June 21, 1943 Case No. 369 - the U.S. Supreme Court overturns Marconi's basic patent for the invention of radio because Tesla's patent on the four-tuned circuit predated Marconi's patent

Marconi accepted the nobel prize in 1911 for inventing radio knowing full well tesla invented it earlier...

is that not holding back the truth?

from uncyclopedia...a funny version ;)
'Even though he created the bright light we use now (alternating current), since he is not american, we proclaim Edison's dim light (direct current)which was extremely useful if you wanted the "candle effect." The radio which he patented first was in reality thought up by Marconi, who patented it second, because Marconi is American. At the time of his death, all his unsubmitted work was taken and claimed as his own. Wait no, it was stolen and submitted to...shock of shocks...Americans. In other words, America is in actuality the creater of light, radio, and human existence. Not a Serbian. Like that would ever happen.'

my science books still said marconi invented radio in the 1980's-90's...isn't that covering up the truth even after it was proven wrong in 1943?

also i'd say covering up free wireless energy so as to maintain monetary dominance over the population is not exactly honest...

>>On Faraday...he was definately up there....but seems to have been atleast a bit more recognised in text books/history etc



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09 Dec 2006, 4:01 am

Greatest Scientist: Tesla


His technology if applied would change humanity.



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09 Dec 2006, 8:32 am

I know of Tesla, especially how he was involved in the "War of the Currents" with Edison. Brilliant man, but slightly naive, and once exposed to fame, became......well, changed. Unfortunately, due to the nature of his patents, many scientists blame him, when it was Westinghouse and the companies that he worked for that made the patents so hard to use.


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09 Dec 2006, 11:29 am

The last ten years or so the name "Tesla" has been spoken more often in the pop culture than any other inventor's.



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13 Dec 2006, 3:05 am

Remnant wrote:
The last ten years or so the name "Tesla" has been spoken more often in the pop culture than any other inventor's.


but we still don't have free wireless electricity :(

which we could have had for the last 100 years...the world could be so different...

just sucks greedy money men had to screw up things so badly...



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15 Dec 2006, 10:35 pm

Another man that suffered the same fate as Tesla is Philo T Farnsworth. He is the inventer of modern television. Despite the fact that RCA at the time was trying their darndest to take credit for the invention of television, and even filed a patent suit against his design when he was 21 years old. RCA had the money though, and David Sarnov at RCA eventually took the credit for TV in the 50's. Despite loosing the patent lawsuit, RCA ended up buying the rights to the patent in 1939. This was after Farnsworth broke off relations with Philco due to them not letting him go his son't funeral. Farnsworth ended up with severe depression issues, and his company languished without the capital of Philco. The name that was seen on televisions likewise followed suit, as most people have never even heard of Farnsworth TV's and electronics. Farnsworth was also successful at producing nuclear fusion. The issue was that his method required more energy than it created. His fusor however is used as a source of neutrons for labritory work and nuclear science today (see the articles in the "news" forum about the 17 year old creating nuclear fusion)

An interesting note...In the Weird Al Yankovich movie "UHF", when he meets the engineer at the little TV station, he introduces himself as Philo T Farnsworth. I picked right up on that, and found it amusing. I was watching the movie with friends, and none of them caught the joke because they didn't know who Philo T Farnsworth was!



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15 Dec 2006, 11:35 pm

very interesting stuff....gonna hafta read more about him...thanku :idea:

from wikipedia:

'In 2006, Farnsworth was posthumously presented the Eagle Scout award when it was discovered he'd earned it but had never been presented with it. '

The West Wing writer Aaron Sorkin has written a screenplay about Farnsworth's and RCA's conflict, The Farnsworth Invention. It was originally to be produced as a film, however production was abruptly cancelled in 2005 with no explanation. It is now being produced as an experimental play for the La Jolla Playhouse, California, to be staged in early 2007.

no Farnsworth film then i guess..:sigh:.....atleast we have all those big budget hollywood films about tesla i spose.....wait, no we don't...not 1...ever

the only film about him (apart from the cameo in Chris Nolan's 'The Prestige')...is 'The secret of nikola tesla' starring Orson Welles back in 1980: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079985/



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16 Dec 2006, 12:23 am

The fusor was extremely cheap compared to other fusion designs, and I suspect could have been easily developed into a cheap source of energy. I think that it could have become a "warm fusion" device when tuned to an energy level lower than the level that caused the emission of thermal neutrons. It could quite conceivably have reached break-even and better by simply carefully modulating the frequencies and waveforms input into the device. It seems like every device that someone has build according to plans has been able to produce little points of heat that burn the hydrogen in a fusion reaction for seconds. That is a really long burn for a fusion device and it requires only a few hundred watts of electricty instead of trillions of watts stored in billion dollar devices.



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16 Dec 2006, 12:44 am

There's actually more to the Tesla bright light to the Edison dim light than just AC and DC. They are in fact, two different lighting technologies. Arc lamps pre-dated the edison filament lamp. Tesla's Arc lamps (at the time) used carbon rods to create a white-hot spark. The light is very "cool" and also contains a considerable amount of other radiation, like UV and infrared. Nickoli Tesla did not invent the arc lamp, but he made it into a useable design. The arc lamp lived on as high-intensity lighting for street lights, theater lighting, searchlights and other high intensity needs. Carbon arc lamps burn up the carbon rods rather quickly...like in a few hours, and need some sort of advancing mechanism to maintain the proper gap between them. This required much more attention than would be desireable in the home, and the light was very harsh and undesireable for use as general lighting, so carbon arc lamps never caught on for general lighting purposes.

Arc lighting does however continue to this day, but not in it's original form. Most LCD video projectors, movie theater projectors, and even some outdoor lighting use metal halide arc lamps, where the arc is enclosed in a quartz-glass bulb. These lamps last for tens of thousands of hours, and put out a nice full-spectrum glow. These lamps are also desireable because of their efficiency at converting more watts to light, versus heat. Other forms of arc lamps exist too, like mercury and sodium vapor lamps, and even neon. These, however don't put out full-spectrum light. The interesting thing about this is that we have come full-circle. The edison filament lamp is dieing a slow death, and many predict in another 10-20 years, that the filament style light bulb will be obsolete, being replaced by arc-lamp, fluroescent, and LED technologies

Edison's filament lamp however was enjoyed, and desired for home use like Deutha mentioned because it gave a candle-like glow that most people were more comfortable with. Filament based lamps also required minimal attention, and would burn for hours without touching them. They also did not require complex starting procedures that were necessary with arc lamps. Filament lamps also did not quit working, or need adjusting if the voltage fluctuated, which was very common in the early days of electricity distribution.

Interesting enough, I have an electric toy train set that dates back to 1926. The most curious thing about this train set is the transformer. The train set was sold at Macy's in New York city, where there were several different elecrical standards...including, but not exclusive to Edison and Westinghouse's DC and AC systems. To power the elecric train properly, you needed to connect to the proper low voltage terminals on the transformer, which would be different for the different power standards. Not only were there DC and AC neighborhoods, but there were also different frequencies of AC too. 25, 40, 50, and 60 were all common frequencies in use at the time the train set was manufactured. Now, if you desired to run the train off of DC, then you would need to purchase a DC resistance winding to lower the voltage, and use that in place of the transformer. This issue is also the reason why when the New York subway system was built in 1904, that they built their OWN power plant...there was no way to ensure that power would be the same throughout the system attempting to run it off of the different, and non-standardized power grids in each neighborhood!! !



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16 Dec 2006, 12:53 am

Standardizing electrical power came from an odd source...Laurens Hammond. Yep, the inventer of the electric organ! He invented a synchronous motor that would allow a clock to keep highly accurate time, and thus the Hammond clock company was born. It sync'ed itself with the frequency of the delivered power. This synchronous motor also was used in his famous electronic organ that debuted in 1934 to rotate the tone generator and maintain a constant speed necessary to play music with. In order for his synchronous motor to work properly and be a success though, it required standardization of the power grid, which was mandated in 1929 I believe.