Are UFO's real?

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Two samples I dug up.

zero evidence exists that earth has been visited by extra-terrestrials.

A UFO is anything that was unidentified. If you don't know what it is, then it is unidentified. So yes, they are real.

That is not to say that they are alien spacecraft. Just because you can't identify something does not mean that it is from an alien civilization. As far as I'm concerned, jumping to the conclusion that UFO's are some kind of alien spacecraft is just plain crazy.

UFO is commonly used as a synonym for alien spacecraft, though that is technically incorrect.

UFO the phenomena, yes, very real. There's too many documented cases and witnesses to deny that something is being seen. As for it being alien in nature, I don't think that's the case.

As far as i'm concerned, any advanced civilization capable of crossing the universe would also have the technology to be able to study (or whatever the assumption is that they're doing up there) Earth from a great distance. Physically traveling here seems like a very archaic way of doing things.

I believe without a doubt that aliens exist somewhere out 'there', but what we see circling our planet was probably made on this planet. To assume otherwise seems like a great leap of faith when the logical answer (secret military planes, government toys etc) has stared us in the face for decades now.

Obviously i'm not stating that I can conclusively say one way or the other because I could easily be wrong, not to mention I do find the topic fascinating, but that's just my opinion.

Yeah, I think there are unidentified flying objects...and I think some of those could certainly be of extra terrestrial nature...earth isn't likely to be the only planet with life in the universe, and considering how endless the universe is I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be even more advanced beings elsewhere that might have technology we couldn't even begin to comprehend.

As for evidence I can think of a few examples, but there seems to be quite an effort to discredit any such evidence at least in the U.S I have heard some other countries are much more open about the topic.

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I assume that you meant to say "earth is not the only planet with life in the universe".

While that is not proven by any means, the probably that this is the only planet on which life developed is extremely small.

But that there is surely life spread throughout the universe is not enough. Travel times throughout the universe are very long. Just to travel from the nearest star other than the sun to the Earth at any kind of reasonably achievable speed would likely take thousands of years each direction.

Unless you assume that the alien life forms have extraordinarily long lives, a trip to Earth and back would likely take considerably longer than the lifetime of an alien life form.

Keep in mind that it is pretty much impossible for any alien life form to date back to the beginning of the universe if the life form requires anything but the simplest of elements. In the original universe, there were none of the heavy elements. They are built inside of stars. The first life forms could not possibly form until the first generation of stars began to go nova and supernova and spread the heavy elements created in their cores out into space. Then future stars being formed out of the dust could then coalesce into solar systems with elements from which life could form.

So to posit that we are being visited by aliens from other planets, you MUST assume that there is something here so interesting that those aliens think it worthwhile to spend generations of lives just to visit.

I think they are not alien spacecraft but could be other things like secret military aircraft.

That is where the technology we couldn't even comprehend comes in, maybe they have found another way to travel that does not involve traveling through space for years on end. I mean its a whole universe so what is the likelyhood we are the most advanced and have the most efficient methods of travel or that any other life has technology that works the same even if more advanced. No one really knows I suppose....Also maybe there is something intresting but I don't know for sure, it is interesting to think about though.

Are UFOs (unidentified flying objects) real? Yes. Are those UFOs real? Probably not. Do aliens exist? Probably so. Have aliens visited Earth? Probably not.

I think the reason people push back so hard against this is the feeling that its like believing in Santa Claus, ie. their afraid of getting their hopes up and looking dumb. Then again that tends to go with the idea that people are harboring a hopeful outlook on such beings.

It gets really interesting if you really dive into C2CAM, work of the most famous researchers, and a lot of the opinions out there because it strangely veers away from it being a simple case of other races visiting us and takes on both a extra-dimensional and even eschatological set of characteristics. Per one guy who I've read a few books by you don't have to look much father than the pagan gods of antiquity from all over the world to see that we're steeped up to our eyeballs in such culture to where where its so close to us and coming from what seems like completely different informative pathways that we have a hard time digesting the connections.

I don't believe in magic. For what you describe, magic is certainly required.

'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.' Arthur C. Clarke.

There have been many unidentified flying objects. But there is not one evidence proven instance of an alien vehicle flying about in our skies.

ruveyn

Magic is a hazy/problematic term. You could take Arthur C Clark's famous statement - ie. there's no such thing, and the utility I'm typing this message on (ie computer) would be magic or witchcraft to someone of the middle ages.

I think the better description for the eschatological claim is that it requires theism and the belief that consciousness is the prime material to which everything else is secondary (hence giving entities more play over the laws via the QM realm). The thing you'll find though, the more you read about UFO's and then even new age metaphysics, theoretical explorations of QM, and then even psychics, mediums, etc. you find all kinds of people drilling down to the same place.

A person could choose to completely disbelieve that narrative, believe that these are simply other evolved animals with sentience from another star system coming to see other evolved animals, albeit with what we believe to be the upper speed limit of the universe we're still back up against that term 'magic' if we're talking about them having any practical ability to visit. Taking 500 years to travel that many light years away to see us is more than uneconomical.


edit: I'm not trying to persuade people of the 'supernatural' or anything, just noting that the exotic UFO (ie. UFO's of the popular vernacular) phenomena is steeped in that.

Clarke said that a sufficiently advanced technology would appear to be magic.



For all practical purposes, a 500 light year trip is sure to take far more than 500 years. Attaining 1% of the speed of light would be very impressive and that would be a 50,000 year trip. Each direction.