Page 1 of 2 [ 20 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

seaweasel
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 266
Location: In one of the New England States

25 Feb 2013, 1:12 am

There is something that is starting to irritate me about apple (and i hate Apple!) and that is there claim that Mac Os x is the worlds most advanced operating system and ios is "the worlds most advanced mobile Operating System". Does apple have anything to back there claim about those two being the worlds most advanced operating system? HFS+ is utter-crap <- Linus Torvalds says that i agree. and Android is just better than iOS because it is not locked down like ios.



Trencher93
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Age: 125
Gender: Male
Posts: 464

25 Feb 2013, 6:52 am

A marketing campaign that helps convince people that Apple's products are technically superior helps people feel good about overpaying for them. Marketing is the science of making vacuous statements that can't be backed up with facts. You just notice it more with technical equipment. Most marketing is selling an experience. You don't drink a soft drink because you're thirsty - in commercials, it's some sort of transcendental experience of fun. An iPad is not a tool to do something, it's a thrill of using advanced technology. Apple is really good at using "product launch format" - hyping up a launch ahead of time and getting people to overpay - but unlike most product launch formats, at least Apple sells a real product (not just bogus stock market or dating advice).

Both Android and iOS are based on UNIX, so any comparative statement about the two is meaningless. Android and iOS do basically the same thing, but their internals are so different that direct comparisons are difficult.



projectsonic
Emu Egg
Emu Egg

User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 7
Location: New South Wales, Australia

25 Feb 2013, 6:58 am

It's just all bold marketing spin. Apple does like to brag, but really MacOS X is just like any other OS. I mainly use a PC but I own a Mac (but it runs Windows most of the time). All OSes have their downfalls. I am also an Android user (I love my galaxy note II) because I think the iPhone is an overrated piece of crap and I love to tinker without limits. Even Apple brag their iPhone is better than anything else, but come on, look what even an unrooted Android can do.



ScrewyWabbit
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Oct 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,157

25 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm

seaweasel wrote:
There is something that is starting to irritate me about apple (and i hate Apple!) and that is there claim that Mac Os x is the worlds most advanced operating system and ios is "the worlds most advanced mobile Operating System". Does apple have anything to back there claim about those two being the worlds most advanced operating system? HFS+ is utter-crap <- Linus Torvalds says that i agree. and Android is just better than iOS because it is not locked down like ios.


Its marketing hype. Since "most advanced" is a subjective term, they can't be called on it.



Keyman
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 443

28 Feb 2013, 3:36 am

Mac OS X builds on FreeBSD wich is a great OS. However to claim Apple is the most advanced.. yeah right! ;)

Guess why some distant satellites run NetBSD and not Mac OS X .. :idea:



Orr
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2011
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 569

28 Feb 2013, 8:00 pm

I guess their scale of advancement is based on the amount of patents associated with the product, rather than technological advancement.


_________________
'You seem very clever at explaining words, Sir,' said Alice. 'Would you kindly tell me the meaning of the poem called "Jabberwocky"?'


LittlePigLocksmith
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2013
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 124
Location: Portland, Oregon

19 Dec 2013, 2:36 pm

They just say that to make unintelligent people think it won't be a steaming pile of s**t like everything else apple makes. Saying you have and "advanced" operating system is like saying you have "efficient" tool. Efficient at doing what? Efficient in the hands of whom? Windows 8 is a perfect example of this. microsoft tried to hype it up, but (no surprize) it was just terrible. One day, I was surprized to find that there's actually a few people out there that like it even though it's basically a crappy tablet OS. However, for the vast majority of people out there, everything about it is just intolerable.

It's just a matter of personal preference. Don't support companies that sell crap though. Use open source stuff instead. That's what I do at least...



Fogman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,986
Location: Frå Nord Dakota til Vermont

19 Dec 2013, 3:06 pm

So obviously the worlds armed forces are going to be switching to OSX from Solaris, right? :lol:


_________________
When There's No There to get to, I'm so There!


pete1061
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2011
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,766
Location: Portland, OR

19 Dec 2013, 7:56 pm

Every business claims that their product/service is the most/best whatever.


_________________
Your Aspie score: 172 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 35 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Diagnosed in 2005


Kurgan
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,132
Location: Scandinavia

19 Dec 2013, 8:10 pm

Perhaps it's the best UNIX based OS for personal use, but it'll still lose to Windows in this aspect. For sever and supercomputer use, it'll lose to customized versions of Linux.



Apple_in_my_Eye
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,420
Location: in my brain

19 Dec 2013, 8:15 pm

Yeah, as others have said, it's marketing hype. Apple is sort of a master of marketing feelings over reality. I mean, in their most famous ads they come close to saying things like, "Ghandi and Einstein would totally prefer a Mac over any other computer if they were alive!" :roll:



Max000
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,547

22 Dec 2013, 8:55 am

seaweasel wrote:
There is something that is starting to irritate me about apple (and i hate Apple!)


There is the problem right there. You hate it, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

Generally Apple innovates and then Microsoft copies. So yeah, OS X is the most advanced. Like it or not.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2C2gb6ws8[/youtube]



Marky9
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Mar 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,625
Location: USA

22 Dec 2013, 10:14 am

At the end of the day it is just marketing spin.

I think the Apple/Microsoft horse was beaten to death long ago, so I now ignore it. I have my opinions on what or which works better for me, but I keep them to myself lest I get dragged into once again flailing the corpse.


_________________
"Righteous indignation is best left to those who are better able to handle it." - Bill W.


Kurgan
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,132
Location: Scandinavia

22 Dec 2013, 10:47 am

Max000 wrote:
seaweasel wrote:
There is something that is starting to irritate me about apple (and i hate Apple!)


There is the problem right there. You hate it, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

Generally Apple innovates and then Microsoft copies. So yeah, OS X is the most advanced. Like it or not.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2C2gb6ws8[/youtube]


What exactly have Apple invented? They co-developed the Firewire together with Sony, IBM, Texas Instruments and a couple of others, but beyond that? Absolutely nothing.

Both the GUI and the Drag and Drop was invented by Xerox--and the first successful home computer was the Commodore PET. Slide to unlock was available on Windows CE two years before the first iPhone. The iOS notification bar is a blatant ripoff of the one you find in Android, which was first released three years before the first iPhone; pretty much everything about the first iPhone was a ripoff of the Samsung F700, released six months before the first iPhone (the former even had rounded corners, a large touch screen and just one home button). The first MP3 player with a hard drive was developed by Compaq in 1998, three years before the iPod was released.

Apple copied a lot of both Windows 95 and XP, because they simply didn't have a worthy opponent in 1995 and 2001; the Vista comparison takes this out of context, given that almost all features in Vista were already present in XP.

Microsoft gave us C#, they gave us the Start menu, they co-deveoped the USB, they standardized user friendliness and they have generally set the standard since 1990. Microsoft will correct bugs quickly and give us frequent updates; Mac OS had no preemption of threads until 1997--and no timer interrupts or mechanism for breaking deadlocks until 2002, the former was present in the MS DOS kernel since the mid 1980's, the latter was present from Windows 95 and onwards. With all the setbacks of the Mac OS before OSX hit the shelves, programmers had to resort to tedious workarounds to get software to work properly, which cost both money and time.

Steve Jobs wrote:
We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas.


Apple gets free commercials from the newspapers and the magazines, and in ads for mobile stuff, you'll always see it demonstrated on an iPhone or an iPad. This is largely why Apple is successful. Given that Android devices outsell iOS devices 6 to 1, one can safely assume that the mighty have fallen, though.



Max000
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,547

22 Dec 2013, 8:47 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Apple copied a lot of both Windows 95 and XP, because they simply didn't have a worthy opponent in 1995 and 2001; the Vista comparison takes this out of context, given that almost all features in Vista were already present in XP.


Nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. Apple was still running Mac OS (which predates Windows) when Win 95 came out. Then they created OS X from NeXT which Steve Jobs had developed before Windows. OS X is a Unix based OS and has absolutely nothing copied from Windows.

Image



Kurgan
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,132
Location: Scandinavia

23 Dec 2013, 6:36 am

Max000 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Apple copied a lot of both Windows 95 and XP, because they simply didn't have a worthy opponent in 1995 and 2001; the Vista comparison takes this out of context, given that almost all features in Vista were already present in XP.


Nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. Apple was still running Mac OS (which predates Windows) when Win 95 came out. Then they created OS X from NeXT which Steve Jobs had developed before Windows. OS X is a Unix based OS and has absolutely nothing copied from Windows.

Image


I rest my case. Mac OS wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Xerox Parc, and plenty of features found in Windows 95 would later be used in Mac OS--and the very same goes for Windows XP and OS X. NeXT was actually founded after Windows, and only parts of the kernel file was used in OS X (NeXT used a microkernel, whereas OS X uses a hybrid kernel); plenty of features were added which were already present in Windows. Actually The obscure Windows 2.1 (386) did in fact have virtual memory three years before Mac OS did.

So in what way did Apple actually innovate anything?