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13 Mar 2014, 1:03 am

I have seen this information in so many forms that are never mainstreamed so there must be something to it all. Is consciousness all there is? Not that consciousness is the point of this story, yet.


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13 Mar 2014, 1:19 am

In my experience nothing is ever as dangerous or complex as it seems. If there's a meritocracy held up by manipulation and disrespect for nature, not that I'm questioning that there is, such a system of myopic rule isn't really biologically feasible. That which consumes more energy than it generates will hit stumbling blocks before its' consumed all it can. At present, the interests controlling the western populace are haphazardly focusing world-record computing power towards their goals - this does not mean they can afford the electricity, find willing employees or entirely secure said operations. Greed rebukes itself materially.


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13 Mar 2014, 1:24 am

Can't happen soon enough for me, even if I am the first to go. I very much despise the world that greed has created, the ugliness of humanity afflicted by greed is even worse.



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13 Mar 2014, 2:28 am

A weird corollary to this way of seeing things - a lens I fashioned out of scraps of A.I.s, free information & geopolitical astuteness - is that nobody really needs to go anywhere. When I look at the technological, regimented world, I see people scaling down from it so far as to include all their modern amenities and bring everything including their income back home with them. I see people dropping the gold standard and conceptualizing arbitrary economies without dire fluctuations. Some people in my town have gardens nicer than the White House. What I really see is asceticism attracting the over-civilized world while it shows everyone how things are really done. It's simple really, if our air supply declines, we grow some food to clean it up again.


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13 Mar 2014, 9:46 am

Yes to all the above. I see "preppers" and extremists so hypnotized by "economic meltdown" conspiracy theorists that they are actually trying to create an artificial economic meltdown for the rest of us so that they can live in the little isolationist fantasy land they are creating for themselves. Then there are the power players in the economic front who really are sabotaging our economy deliberately so they can take us back to the "beginning" and start rebuilding all over again to their specifications, those being religious extremists that would create an intentional apocalypse upon the world while they run around pulling their hair out talking about the "second coming of Christ." If people can see it coming they should be trying to fix it instead of encourage it, unless chaos is to their advantage and goal.



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13 Mar 2014, 9:53 am

Yadda yadda zionist agenda, yadda yadda anorganic oil, yadda yadda war, yadda yadda conspiracy.

First to have four in a line please yell "Oooooh, that's a bingooo."

Oh how I love the irony, the hilarity of people telling everybody who doesn't even know them how they don't believe everything they're told and how there's a big industry of lies and then they open up some Youtube vid or website with murkily backed-up claims how there's a conspiracy that's even worse than the Nazis, but somehow there's never ANY consequences against the people making these sites and vids despite it's easier than ever before to track them.

Also funny they never define their use of "zionism" and who these "zionists" they're talking about might actually be. "No, we definitely don't mean the jews, we mean the zionists who are not even real jews but..." just the way they're not antisemites, BUT...


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13 Mar 2014, 10:51 am

I don't like those YouTube videos either, but obviously someone is making money by spreading this stuff because it keeps getting regurgitated. I am not into the whole Zionist thing, but I do think it is all an illusion. Not what it appears. But after being conditioned to believe certain things, its hard to know what is real or not. Conditioning? Yeah, churches have been conditioning people for centuries. At least I am not swimming in that delusion pit.



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14 Mar 2014, 3:52 pm

If there really is a conspiracy to hide "the true", they are amateur. After all, the websites showing what they claim is "the true" are everywhere, not like Russia or China where anything against the government is quiclky shut down. So, about this website...

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Water as fuel, really :wall: