My computer died...
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Yes it is dead....It was running horribly so I decided to do a system restore to factory settings. So I went and got a USB drive to put a few mp3 albums, some pictures and season 5 of game of thrones I have mp3 files for onto....which is good because it would seem I put those on the USB drive just in time. Anyways it wouldn't complete system restore just wiped all my files and the operating system out. So I found a new one I am going to get at best buy but had to get their credit card to finance it for 12 months since 479 dollars is a lot to pay at once....which should be sent to me in a week than I can go get the laptop. Its an HP with all the normal features, windows 10 and has touch screen capabilities and should run league of legends better than my sony viao was.
As for this broken computer I thought of selling it for parts or something but maybe I will keep it and use it as tool to learn how the internal functions of computers work....perhaps build my own laptop with the dead sony Viao as the basic frame more or less. I know nothing about building computers but it could be interesting to learn but of course in the mean time I want a good up and running laptop.
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As for this broken computer I thought of selling it for parts or something but maybe I will keep it and use it as tool to learn how the internal functions of computers work....perhaps build my own laptop with the dead sony Viao as the basic frame more or less. I know nothing about building computers but it could be interesting to learn but of course in the mean time I want a good up and running laptop.
Sorry to hear about it dying, but I'm glad you got some files off safely. I happen to like the current crop of HP laptops; they are well made, for the most part have good specs and are easy to work on. And they don't look half bad, either. Great idea to keep the old one to play with / learn on - for some that can be the best way to learn how something really works.
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If you're lucky all that'll need replacing in the old laptop is the hard drive, which you can probably get for a few dollars on ebay, once you work out what kind you need. Other than the disk drives / battery / screen though, there isn't a lot that you can replace, as almost everything is soldered onto one big circuit board. There are only a few companies that make laptops that are fully modular so you can swap out the memory, CPU and graphics card, like Clevos.
I've fixed a few HP laptops for people, and they seem well made (mostly I was fixing things due to age, like dead batteries, or hard drives that had started to go). Sony computers I won't touch, since my first VAIO had so many problems, and support just kept telling me to reinstall from the Windows CD (when the CD drive was the problem, and couldn't even read the disk). Same goes for Apple. 'Thin', 'quiet' and 'powerful' may look great in the adverts, but they also mean your laptop will overheat so much that it ends up desoldering its own chips. I've owned about a half dozen different Apple computers, and they all had cooling problems (and I've seen articles recently saying some of the new iPads have cooling problems too).
Learning how to fix computers is well worth doing, as you can end up saving yourself a lot of money in future. After my last Apple laptop desoldered its own graphics chip, I got a few more months out of it by taking the circuit board out, and baking it in my oven to reflow the solder. Of course a few months later it just ended up desoldering it again, but it kept me going until I could afford a replacement.
If you do learn though, watch out for everyone you know wanting help with their computers
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Yay! Finally somebody gets curious about embedded tech on their own steam! I think VAIO is about as good as educational hardware gets - they're STRANGE, plus parts are usually pretty cheap on eBay, I consider rebuilding one of Sony's ultraportables for work every time I come accross one. Either you'll want a 2nd PC for your TV, a laptop to try Linux on or more...
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Yay! Finally somebody gets curious about embedded tech on their own steam! I think VAIO is about as good as educational hardware gets - they're STRANGE, plus parts are usually pretty cheap on eBay, I consider rebuilding one of Sony's ultraportables for work every time I come accross one. Either you'll want a 2nd PC for your TV, a laptop to try Linux on or more...
Semi-OT, but I've had a love-hate with VAIO's. The hate was from a decision they made some years back to not fix a problem they knew about that caused the displays to fail early. The love came from a “PictureBook,” Sony’s VAIO C1 that my work was abandoning in the early-mid 2000's. I replaced the hdd with a compact flash card running Puppy Linux & threw in a low power 802.11b card. It was an ultra portable / netbook way before its time...
But yes, the VAIO's I've come across have all been very easy to work on, and learn from.
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If you do learn though, watch out for everyone you know wanting help with their computers
Even if all people (including Sweatleaf) learn is how a computer actually boots up, or how an operating system lives on the hard drive, or that sometimes unplugging & removing the battery overnight can solve some non-booting randomness, it's a modern basic skill that is worth knowing the basics of. Kinda like knowing how to change a flat tire in an emergency.
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I have a half-dead i5 Dell XPS I should try your battery trick with. I just pulled my CMOS battery & briefly disconnected the main Li-Ion. I've been considering buying a donor machine with a broken screen (due to the charger/usb/audio breakout board) AND an i7 motherboard.
As a small-time developer I always want to see more people taking these fixes into their own hands. Worst case scenario, you fry things and need to recycle the machine, but that still means you invested in learning something.
I typed this on a ~1000 dollar Samsung but my main computer when I'm not doing Windows things or gaming is a Toshiba dual-core Atom netbook I've spent maybe 15 bucks on, including 2 chargers. Apart from a fast wifi pci-e chip all my speed tweaks on there are Linux mods. It's comparable to using a much bigger Intel hyper threading machine usually, and Fedora always feels a cut above Windows.
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Also I hope you won't be careless and get zapped if you try to open your laptop, Sweetleaf.
I would certainly be very careful about that, probably even look up some information on how to do that safely without getting zapped, before I even attempt that.
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If you do learn though, watch out for everyone you know wanting help with their computers
Even if all people (including Sweatleaf) learn is how a computer actually boots up, or how an operating system lives on the hard drive, or that sometimes unplugging & removing the battery overnight can solve some non-booting randomness, it's a modern basic skill that is worth knowing the basics of. Kinda like knowing how to change a flat tire in an emergency.
Oh yeah even that stuff would be pretty useful...I guess part of it is I hate knowing basically how everything I see works like the programs and stuff(or can figure them out on my own) and am confident I could probably figure out how to effectively operate operating systems outside windows. But then I don't know anything about the internal hardware and such or what different parts look like so it feels like I have half the knowledge I want.
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I have to say that Viao didn't really live up to my expectations anyways....I for some reason had it in my head it would be a lot cooler than it ended up being. And it always seemed to have a few random little glitchy bugs/issues here and there.
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You're not going to get electrocuted opening up a computer, be it laptop or desktop. Mains voltage ends at the power-brick/wall-wart for a laptop, and in a desktop the power supply, which is a separate metal box inside the PC's case that the power cord plugs directly into (if it was made of cardboard it would be about the right size and shape to fit 3 coffee mugs inside). From there on the highest voltage you'll see is 24V.
It's actually recommended to work on desktop PCs with them plugged into a wall outlet, but switched off at the wall, or on the back of the power supply (if it has a switch), so that the computer is disconnected from the live connection, but still grounded, and protected from any static electricity you might be carrying from synthetic clothing, or walking on carpets. Otherwise (and for laptops) you'd need an anti static wrist strap, to get rid of any static.
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If you do learn though, watch out for everyone you know wanting help with their computers
Even if all people (including Sweatleaf) learn is how a computer actually boots up, or how an operating system lives on the hard drive, or that sometimes unplugging & removing the battery overnight can solve some non-booting randomness, it's a modern basic skill that is worth knowing the basics of. Kinda like knowing how to change a flat tire in an emergency.
Oh yeah even that stuff would be pretty useful...I guess part of it is I hate knowing basically how everything I see works like the programs and stuff(or can figure them out on my own) and am confident I could probably figure out how to effectively operate operating systems outside windows. But then I don't know anything about the internal hardware and such or what different parts look like so it feels like I have half the knowledge I want.
My apologies for talking about you indirectly instead of directly addressing you!
Nice thing about the internals/hardware is you only really have to learn the basic functional blocks, what they do (hasn't changed in 60 years) & which parts are actually replaceable. CPU, memory, power supply, expansion boards, that sort of thing. Basic troubleshooting skills, too ("is it plugged in/wall switch on?"), but those aren't specific to computers.
Oh, and how to detach & re-attach connectors. Can't tell you how many times that last one has brought a flaky server back to normal operation...
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Hence my owning eight Dells - they aren't any better, just cheaper & simpler. Yeah, Sony took issue with straight-up microsoft branding and pretty much did anything they wanted. Before their PC business was spun off, they spent fortunes writing S/W to sell only on VAIOs! I'm twiddling my thumbs until the Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 460 drops next year, I can't afford 10gb of bloatware! Basically I plan on loading up a brand new industry-standard PC to never use Windoss on...
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
Hence my owning eight Dells - they aren't any better, just cheaper & simpler. Yeah, Sony took issue with straight-up microsoft branding and pretty much did anything they wanted. Before their PC business was spun off, they spent fortunes writing S/W to sell only on VAIOs! I'm twiddling my thumbs until the Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 460 drops next year, I can't afford 10gb of bloatware! Basically I plan on loading up a brand new industry-standard PC to never use Windoss on...
Dells are...dependable, much of the time. And "boring". And, they tend to run everything below it's full potential in part because they have a habit of using non-standard parts in order to cut costs to the very minimum over enormous production runs. Spare parts are readily available, though. No one ever got fired for buying Dell, to appropriate the old IBM line.
I'm still impressed with some of the latest HP mainstream offerings. Lenovo isn't bad, but they keep making strange (negative) marketing/design choices. All this is just my own opinion, of course.
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This is a terrible idea, please don't go around promoting it. A computer should always be unplugged when you're working on the internals, always. While being plugged into a socket with a relay position on off poses no direct threat, humans make mistakes and it only takes one time forgetting to turn something off to have a catastrophic accident.
ALWAYS UNPLUG THE COMPUTER FROM IT'S POWER SOURCE. If you're worried about static electricity all you have to do is make sure a part of your body is touching the metal interior of the case for grounding.
EDIT: fixed the quote, I had the previous paragraph not the second.